Inland 5,093,600 NRA sale Late 1963

A friend passed along some before cleaning pictures of a nice Inland he took in on trade. I've worked on a few carbines for members of his gun club before. He just sent me the Bolt and Trigger Housing which I inspected and serviced.
It's a Inland with all the expected Inland parts for this serial range.
Really nice Inland Type III stock and Type II OI Hand Guard. Stock has a Inland Crossed cannon stamp but no P proofs, Inspection or Rebuild stamps.
I assume the Depot Upgrades include; Op Slide is a Type V (Too late ?) with 7160091 on the bottom, Type III bayo band, Flip safety (E.I.), Type III rear sight and late MRT sling. Bolt is AI with all Inland internals but parked. All the paperwork from the NRA sale late in 1963, he even has the shipping receipts.
He's offering the Carbine a few magazines and a pouch up for sale as of today. I have a list of the parts ID I could E-mail to anyone interested along with his contact information and current asking price. I know he wanted to keep it, but it was taken in on trade for some work performed.
I just wanted to show a few of his pictures, especially the old receipts.

Note in the pictures that it doesn't have any punch style stake marks.
I'm pretty sure I can see a slight Chisel stake for the original flip sight on the top right Dovetail.
I'll post a few pictures of it and add a link to my Photo bucket album for you to see the rest.

Photo Album...
Inland 5093600 NRA sale Late 1963 pictures by Painter8439 - Photobucket

Let me know if you can't access the album....... New software being tried out.

Regards,
Charlie-painter777
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Yes, that's a 'chisel' stake mark for the original sight on the right of the front dovetail. The round punch mark in the center in front of the sight was to tighten up the dovetail for the new adjustable sight.

Wow - a 'cherry' front sight blade - that thing has got to shoot way low. I've never seen one that pointed, without ever having been filed to raise the point of impact.

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The round punch mark in the center in front of the sight was to tighten up the dovetail for the new adjustable sight.

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Incorrect. See CC NL361, page 2. Several original carbines in the same serial number range (with flip sights) have been observed with a punch mark or oval stamp in the same location. Must have been done at the factory. Reason: unknown.

Dumb question. It appears to me the strap is on backwards/upsidedown. Fed from left to right not right to left. When done this way how can you remove it without damaging the strap or the stock?

The sling (strap) is installed correctly.

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Originally Posted by BrianQ

The sling (strap) is installed correctly.

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I am referring to way the sling is threaded through the stock around the oiler. In my very limited experience this is backwards and cannot be easily removed. Thread it the other way right to left with end tab on the bottom and it can be removed easily. Compare to pictures of others most will have the right end tab on the inside not outside.

From the pix it looks right, it can be tricky..I slacken the sling from the slot, then remove the oiler..the tip of the sling wont come out with the oiler installed

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Originally Posted by Garandrew

I slacken the sling from the slot, then remove the oiler..the tip of the sling wont come out with the oiler installed

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I was never able to do it that way. Oiler would not come out by just slackening the sling.

Its tricky, but it was designed for an infantryman to do...

Both the Bolt and Trigger Housing internals were pretty grimey.
The Rotary safety I showed the other day with the circled SS on one side and what looked to be a overstamped E.I. came from this one.
Having the old paperwork and no crater topped dovetails are my favorite things about it..
A NRA from Depot Carbine for $20.00 shipped in 1963.
Too bad I was just shy of being 4 years old back in the day.

Charlie-painter777

P.S. datanull, I have a friend who runs his sling the way you've described. But he's found it harder to adjust when shouldered with the running end of the tip strung thru the bottom of the keeper.

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Originally Posted by Garandrew

From the pix it looks right, it can be tricky..I slacken the sling from the slot, then remove the oiler..the tip of the sling wont come out with the oiler installed

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Yes, it's installed correctly in the photo.

I've never been able to remove, or install the oiler as you describe Andy. I've never had a type I stock, and maybe it'll work that way with one of them.

I've tried it that way when installing just to see if it would work by making a loop on the 'oiler-side' and then inserting the oiler into the loop. Even with original thin early type 'A' ('C-tip') slings, the thickness of the sling wouldn't allow me to push the oiler into the slot (with the sling already around it) . I may be misunderstanding what you describe though.
(Or didn't hold my mouth right) ;)

Regardless, I don't have much of a problem installing slings anymore. Usually just run the sling through from the 'sling-side', put the oiler in the stock recess, then hold the stock with the 'oiler-side' down so it 'floats' a bit so it doesn't bind, and then gently thread the sling end back through. I've only had seven carbines and they all were about the same, but some may not have as much tolerance (?)

The postwar type 'C' ('D-tip') are more difficult because of the larger metal end tip and thicker weave, but originals I've tried aren't usually too difficult -

Aftermarket (fake) slings of both types can be a real pain though! Because of the fatter weave and/or tips used on some of them, there isn't enough clearance to push the sling end back through
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On the worse aftermarket slings I've been able to always push the end back though enough to be able to use needle-nose pliers to grasp the very end of the tip and pull it through.
* I've heard about people filing the opening out to get more clearance, but I've always been able to pull even the fattest aftermarkets through.
I'd rather scratch the tip a little, or even beat the end of the tip flat as I've heard some people have done than file on a stock. :(

I think I also pull the sling till the tip is as close to the stock as possible, ive never had a problem with trype 1 or 2

datanull: I've got an Arlington-Ord S'G' that came with a new replacement "potbelly" stock, and the sling is on the way you suggest. It is very difficult to take on and off. I tried to put it on the "correct" way, but there is not enough clearance in the slot to let the tab go past the oiler - it will not go on that way at all. I tried flattening the D tips, but it still wouldn't go. I didn't want to do any cutting on the slot, so it's still installed with the tip resting against the stock. It marks up the finish a bit that way, but I agree with you that some can't be installed as shown above in Charlie's pictures.

Charlie: In about 1963 or 1964, my older brother traded a guy out of one of those NRA carbines. He shot it a few times and didn't really like it - then traded it for a '39 Ford pickup that I had to work on for him - I was about 18 at the time. The pickup was later sold for $60. Too bad we couldn't see into the future!

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Originally Posted by USGI

I didn't want to do any cutting on the slot, so it's still installed with the tip resting against the stock. It marks up the finish a bit that way, but I agree with you that some can't be installed as shown above in Charlie's pictures.

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Check out picture three in this thread reply #5 for an way to sandwitch the end tab within the double section of the sling.

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Here it is datanul, and that is kinda neat and tidy.

I suspect it would be a little slower to readjust if used that way for combat, but it would probably not be as likely to slip.

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Actually, from photos I've seen, during war GI's had their slings installed and wore their carbines in a manner of ways to suit themselves, or needs; just as they did when installing belt pouches on stocks etc. -

Not as intended, or how they may have been instructed, but how much control over small things like this would you expect from young men who're facing possible death daily?

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I suspect the fellow below may have somehow lost his swivel and there's not a replacement available -
(Or possibly he's just holding out until he finds one with the correct marking) ;)

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Originally Posted by cafdfw

I suspect the fellow below may have somehow lost his swivel and there's not a replacement available -
(Or possibly he's just holding out until he finds one with the correct marking) ;)

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Harlan must be in a good mood today. Funny Guy.

I'm always just fine and dandy Jim!

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BTW, what was that nickname they gave you at work? (Grudgemunchin??) https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...ghing001-1.gif

Hey, how many days left until you're officially retired?
(With all that time on your hands maybe you'll finally have time to count all your carbines!)

SP's list of required spare parts to be shipped with each 100 carbines included 12 front band assemblies (which I'd guess was typical), so unless he just lost his, he should have easily found a replacement. Maybe the GI actually still had his but was worried about rubbing the finish off with his sling.

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Originally Posted by cafdfw

I'm always just fine and dandy Jim!

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BTW, what was that nickname they gave you at work? (Grudgemunchin??) http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a50...aughing001.gif

Hey, how many days left until you're officially retired?
(With all that time on your hands maybe you'll finally have time to count all your carbines!)

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That would be Curmudgeon. And Harlan I earned the nickname.
82 days until officially retired. But ask how many of those I have to actually go to work. That is a big 0. Terminal vacation to March 30. Then a big wave goodby.

Well, Congratulations Jim!

Along with your years of combat service in Vietnam, you've earned some time off! :cheers:
May your best days now begin with your new life of leisure. I wish all the best for you Sir.

Sincerely,
~ Harlan

'Reason: unknown.'

If the reason is unknown, how do you know I'm not right?

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Originally Posted by INLAND44

Yes, that's a 'chisel' stake mark for the original sight on the right of the front dovetail. The round punch mark in the center in front of the sight was to tighten up the dovetail for the new adjustable sight.

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Originally Posted by INLAND44

'Reason: unknown.'

If the reason is unknown, how do you know I'm not right?

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We know you're not right because the mark is found on Inland receivers that never had adjustable sights on them.

I wasn't clear at all. My meaning was, what if the punch mark was used to tighten up ANY sight in the receiver dovetail, including the original? Reasons for this being necessary might be related to a temporary problem in machining the dovetail during manufacture or a run of slightly small sight bases. However, that is pure speculation.