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I have a M94 Swedish Carbine dated 1898. The serial number is 6 117, however, the rest of the rifle is numbered 117 (bolt, butt plate, etc.). It's beautiful with no import marks. Wood is in excellent condition as well as the bore. It was manufactured by Carl Gustafs Stads Gevarsfatori. No bayonet lug. What do I have? Wife bought it for me at a pawn shop for $280. No, it has not been sporterized. The brass disc is missing. Email me at dominguy@sbcglobal.net and let me know what I have.
Simply check the MKL and you'll find this piece ... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by roadjet
1907 m94/14 Swedish Carbine (click here)
Compare the 106 pic detailed photo montage against yours and you'd see what's missing. :thup:
A rare piece for Swedish collectors ... :)
Regards,
Doug
Other than the brass disc and the lack of a bayonet lug, mine is complete. I understand some of these 94's came without bayonet lugs (Navy guns). I was wondering if mine was one of them. Also my serial number seems awfully low. Is there a website that will give me total numbers produced for my year? Any idea where I can find a replacement disc? Thanks for the information above, I enjoy reading about these early guns.
Do you have some pics you can post ? I think our members would love to see your carbine. :thup:
I'll see what I can find out on thte serial number.
Regards
Doug
You may have the m/94-96 version used by the Army Fortification Service and Army Engineers. This can be identified by a) no bayonet lug b) sling swivel on the butt is underneath, not at the side. They were converted from the normal carbine and are very rare - rarer than the standard model. The stock disc hole was also simply filled with with a brass plate, so it hasn't lost an original disc of the kind you know from the m/96 rifles - it never had one.
To be sure, we need good photos.
280 would be a steal for the normal carbine. For the Engineer's carbine - words fail me!
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Because the carbines are attractive for collectors, they have been faked. Hence my use of the word may in bold italics. The abovemnentioned articel by Badger is not only very instructive, it also has a link to a site where you could find some information about fakes. Unfortunately, this further link does not work on my computer - maybe you will have better luck!.
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:wave:Badger, it seems that you need to update the link
http://dutchman.rebooty.com/
as the link in your excellent article no longer functions!
Patrick
If you study http://dutchman.rebooty.com/fake.html
you will have a very good idea if your carbine is genuine. I hope it is - there's enough fakes around!
BTW - the numbering with the full number (in this case, only 4 digits) on major items and 3 (or even 2, because of space limitations) on other parts is normal.
However, 6xxx on a carbine should be from 1895, and on a rifle it would be from 1899. So a carbine marking 6117 and 1898 does not quite add up. Which is another reason to make photos - especially of the barrel ring - it may have been remarked when converted from the original carbine - if it is genuine.
Patrick
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Fixed both links ... he must have moved his site to a new domain ...... thanks ... :thup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Chadwick
Regards,
Doug
How do I post pictures to this thread?
Whats on the left side of the Rifle? There is the SN# and the inspector marking there must be one of those: GF, OG, HR, KB, JV, VT, HK or JT.
Tried posting pictures but had no luck. Here's a run down of the pictures I took.
1. The Bolt handle serial number is 117
2. The Magazine Floor Plate serial number is 117
3. The Butt Plate number is 117
4. The Barrel band number is 117
5. The Hood sight is 117
6. Everything is 117
7. The Left Side has the initials OG then the serial number 117, however, it looks like the Number "6" before the serial number, is a little larger (not by much).
8. The Disc is missing, there used to be one there, someone stuck an old Silver Dollar in it's place.
9. The rifle is immaculate.
Looks lime the files are too large to attach. Wish you could see this rifle.
10 The original leather attachment sling is on the right side.
Everything on the rifle is marked 117 to include the Butt Place, Barrel Band, Bolt, Magazine floor plate, Hood, everything. The left side of the gun has the initials "OG". The serial number is 6117, however, it looks like the six might be a little thicker,maybe. There is no bayonet lug and the leather strap is on the right side of the gun. There used to be a brass disc but someone took it out and replaced it with a coin. The bolt handle looks period perfect and there are no marks to indicate it as a fake (bad bluing, welding, etc.)
Thought I read somewhere that a different number was assigned to the standard serial number on the left side of the receiver for some reason or another. Still trying to find the web link that talked about it. The gun is gorgeous.
Send me your email, or email me at dominguy@sbcglobal.net and I'll shoot some pictures to you.
O.G. was inspector Olaf D. Gibson. Inspector from May 1. 1898 to May 31. 1902. That matches the 1898 marking, encouraging my suspicion that the engineers carbine was remarked when it was converted from the standard model.
For the pictures: edit/crop them to make JPEG files that are not larger than about 300kB per photo and try again.
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Try this link http://dutchman.rebooty.com/94swede.html
and you will see that 6117 must originally have been a carbine made by Mauser, Oberndorf, in 1895.
6117 marked Garl Gustaf 1898 therefore indicates a remarking when it was rebuilt as an engineers carbine (if genuine). There are some examples of Carl Gustav remarkings of rebuilds in the list on that link.
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Originally Posted by roadjet
I mentioned in a previous post, that the Engineers Carbine had the sling on the bottom. Now you mention a sling on the side. That does not match up. I also mentioned at the outset that some carbines have been faked. It is conceivable that this example has been faked from an m/96. I hope not, but we need pictures to settle the matter.
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A feature that you can check: the grasping grooves on a genuine carbine stock are about as long as your hand is wide. On an m/96 rifle the grasping grooves are much longer - about the length of your hand. If the stock has been altered from an m/96, then the grooves are long (or have been partially filled) and there will be traces on the bottom where the sling swivel was removed.
It's pretty simple. Look at the top of any forum and you'll see "sticky" threads for help marked in BLUE, which go over the process (with pictures) step by step ... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by roadjet
How do I show pics from Photobucket, Flickr, ImageShack etc. on milsurps.com? (click here)
How do I upload pictures to my posts for storage on milsurps.com? (click here)
If you still can't figure out how to post pics, then simply email them to me at badger@milsurps.com and I'll host and post them for you under your name in this thread. :)
Regards,
Doug
A few pics ....
The s/n mentioned is within the 1898 known carbines produced by Carl Gustaf. The pictured carbine is a m/94.
I have some new unmarked brass discs. Drop me an email at swede1894(at)gmail.com . Hopefully the cut-out hasn't been altered.
1898:
k.67 kammerkarbin
k.91 kammerkarbin
k.94 kammerkarbin
k.188 kammerkarbin
179
315 Swedish Navy
1433
1510
1833
2054
2652
3498
3555
4062
4272
5594
6632
Dutch
Great pick-up. I don't have a 94 in my collection and am jealous. More jealous that you may have a $600-700 gun for <$300!