Question about 1960's DCM carbines.

The first center-fire long gun I ever fired was my older cousin's DCM carbine he got in the 1960s. It had some upgrades (Type III band and sight). I have looked at other DCM carbines, and they usually have some upgrades, though I saw one with a flip sight and Type II band.

My question is this: Are there any DCM carbines from the 1960s that are "un-messed" with that have all original parts?

The reason I ask is that I am weighing probabilities on whether my 1943 Inland is a bring back or if it was a 1960's DCM gun. All I know is it came to me from the estate of an elderly WW II combat vet, whose family said "he had it as long as anyone could remember."

I know I will never be able to absolutely say it is the holy Grail, a "bring back, as he may just as well have obtained it 50 years ago as a DCM weapon. It is 100% as it left the factory, though, so I was wonder if those of you who have known DCM carbines have any that are un-messed with. Inquiring minds want to know.

Pictures of it would help say one way or another. Does it have a type 1 rear sight or an adjustable one? Does it have a type 1 or 2 barrel band? Does it have an a highwood stock? DCM carbines came in all verities from untouched to fully rebuilt.

Bruce,
It is Highwood, Type I sight and barrel band., Here's the thread with pictures and parts listed. Absolutely all are correct for the serial number, and all have matching wear. It came directly to me from the WW II vet's estate (through my dealer). ME is between 0 and 1. TIGHT shooter!
I found a treasure! It's in for a 10 day wait.
Inland treasure - photo heavy and parts break down

that is purported to be a NRA/DCM sold gun. It has type 2 sight, round bolt and type 2 band. It appears to be new as issued. If it was late featured and new, I could see it sitting in some warehouse and avoiding rebuild. If you were some doggie and told to pick out worn carbines for rebuild, would you send in a brand new one?

The M1 carbines sold through the DCM in 1963 were "unsurviceable-unclassified, safe to fire". Which meant they could be any condition, new, used, or re-built . They were not classified by condition. They were shipped with no magazine, sling, or oiler. But they were well worth the $20.00, including shipping, that they cost. About 300,00 were sold to N.R.A. members back then. All sales were recorded at R.I.A. and can be verivied through the CMP.

First you had to send in the application and then you would receive instructions for your DCM carbine, cost was $20Attachment 39401Attachment 39402

Well it sure could be a DCM or vet bring back as it's about as original as one can get. Great find for sure.

I have owned two, both were minty mostly original except both had flip safeties and adjustable sights added.

Check the price on this CMP IBM..........

WWII IBM M1 Carbine, M-1, Exc : Semi Auto Rifles at GunBroker.com


Charlie-painter777

The seller is giving what sounds to me like a good honest description of his carbine. I see a couple minor things I don't like about it, but believe someone is going to give him at least 3 times what he paid theCMP. That's a good return on investment! - Bob

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Originally Posted by Tom in N.J.

The M1 carbines sold through the DCM in 1963 were "unsurviceable-unclassified, safe to fire". Which meant they could be any condition, new, used, or re-built . They were not classified by condition. They were shipped with no magazine, sling, or oiler. But they were well worth the $20.00, including shipping, that they cost. About 300,00 were sold to N.R.A. members back then. All sales were recorded at R.I.A. and can be verivied through the CMP.

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Are you sure that "All sales were recorded..and can be verified through the CMP" I have my Dads IBM AO I would like like to document.

I've read Orest Michaels comment that only about 5% of search requests for DCM sales requests result in a hit.

Regards..Mike Haas

Here's a link about an NPM Carbine owned by a friend. It very likely came from the DCM in the early 60's, but he doesn't know for sure - just knows that it belonged to his Dad, and will never sell. That's a good enough story for me! - Bob

https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=33456

The IBM is definitely a rebuild/refinish. I'm surprised at how much it sold for - am I just out of touch? I would have thought about $750.

MIKE HASS.. I'm sure all sales were recorded at R.I.A. and if the records were not lost or destroyed they should be able to verify a DCM sale. If not, many people are in trouble as the U.S. code places the burden of proof of lawful transfer on the possessor. If it is marked "US" it is govt property unless you can prove otherwise.
Here is a quote from my DD 1149-4 on my DCM carbine. "** lack of sufficient evedence of transfer of title could result in confiscation of carbine described above under provisions of RS USC 10-1317. This sale is recorded at the Army Weapons Command, Rock Island, Illinois."..

Mine was an Inland Receiver, recoil plate sight and barrel. It has nothing else Inland on it: IBM bolt, Saginaw trigger and hammer, IP trigger housing (don't ask I am not selling it). It had a twist safety, type III mag catch (M2) and barrel band but no sling, or oiler. At one time there was a five round magazine, but it disappeared in a move and I do not remember if it was a new five or a cut down 30.

Dave

Mike is correct, there are very few records of DCM sales still available. In the 1960's, DOD had only paper records; a bill of sale was typed, & several carbon copies were made & filed or used for the shipping label & customer receipt. All DOD copies were destroyed long ago.

Technically, all veteran "bring backs" are really "stolen US property"; no member of the US military was authorized to retain any US-issue firearm (with the exception of General Officer pistols, which were sold to the officer). But, neither DOD nor the FBI has any interest in investigating US issued firearms issued prior to the Vietnam War.

Next you'll be telling me it's OK to tear the tag off a new mattress.

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Originally Posted by Neal Myers

Technically, all veteran "bring backs" are really "stolen US property"; no member of the US military was authorized to retain any US-issue firearm (with the exception of General Officer pistols, which were sold to the officer). But, neither DOD nor the FBI has any interest in investigating US issued firearms issued prior to the Vietnam War

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That is not quite true. Officers were allowed to purchase a carbine at the end of the war. They had to pay what ever the government paid for it. A number of them have been found that were bring backs this way with recites from the military.

I sure hope/wish my step mom stumbles across the sales receipts for the three DCM records for Dad's rifles - 1903 A4 - IBM AO - an 1903-A3. Lottsa paper files to go thru yet in two file cabinets. Without the proof it's just another story.

Mike

The statute of limitations of stolen property is 30 years. They can't make an arrest if it was longer , hince no intrest .
Chris

"Next you'll be telling me it's OK to tear the tag off a new mattress."

Beautiful!

The only old weapons that the government still owns are those that were loaned to our Allies over the years and have been returned then turned over to CMP. If the country that has them wishes to retain what they have in their inventory they will remain there till they decide to turn them back over to the US. This is how CMP got the carbines from Italy and the Garands, 03's and carbines from Greece as they were still owned by the US. Other wise all obsolete weapons once owned by the government have been written off and the government does not want anything to do with them. Would cost them more just in the paperwork to do anything at all with a recovered weapon that may or may not have been stolen after a war. They just do not care about them anymore.