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Hi everybody,
I bought at ebay a Trigger Housing (no parts inside but the spring) for my SA M1 Garand dated 1944 but dealer is not shipping outside US.
Who can please help me to receive the item and to reship it to me to Italy ?
I will imediately refund all USPS shipping cost with PayPal.
Thank you in advance for your help.
Your dealer is not shipping because it's against US law without an export license.
You should be looking for a dealer with and export license instead of asking people to risk fines and/or going to jail.
International Traffic In Arms Regulations
U.S. State Department - Policy - Directorate of Defense Trade Controls
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§ 127.1 -- Violations.
(a) It is unlawful:
(1) To export or attempt to export from the United States any defense article or technical data or to furnish any defense service for which a license or written approval is required by this subchapter without first obtaining the required license or written approval from the Office of Defense Trade Controls;
(2) To import or attempt to import any defense article whenever a license is required by this subchapter without first obtaining the required license or written approval from the Office of Defense Trade Controls;
(3) To conspire to export, import, reexport or cause to be exported, imported or reexported, any defense article or to furnish any defense service for which a license or written approval is required by this subchapter without first obtaining the required license or written approval from the Office of Defense Trade Controls; or
(4) To violate any of the terms or conditions of licenses or approvals granted pursuant to this subchapter.
(b) Any person who is granted a license or other approval under this subchapter is responsible for the acts of employees, agents, and all authorized persons to whom possession of the licensed defense article or technical data has been entrusted regarding the operation, use, possession, transportation, and handling of such defense article or technical data abroad. All persons abroad subject to U.S. jurisdiction who obtain temporary custody of a defense article exported from the United States or produced under an agreement described in part 124 of this subchapter, and irrespective of the number of intermediate transfers, are bound by the regulations of this subchapter in the same manner and to the same extent as the original owner or transferer.
(c) A person with knowledge that another person is then ineligible pursuant to §§ 120.1(c) of this subchapter or 126.7 of this chapter, is then subject to an order of debarment, or interim suspension, may not, directly or indirectly, in any manner or capacity, without prior disclosure of the facts to, and written authorization from, the Office of Defense Trade Controls:
(1) Apply for, obtain, or use any export control document as defined in § 127.2(b) for such debarred, suspended, or ineligible person; or
(2) Order, buy, receive, use, sell, deliver, store, dispose of, forward, transport, finance, or otherwise service or participate in any transaction which may involve any defense article or the furnishing of any defense service for which a license or approval is required by this subchapter for export, where such debarred, suspended, or ineligible person may obtain any benefit therefrom or have any direct or indirect interest therein.
(d) No person may willfully cause, or aid, abet, counsel, demand, induce, procure or permit the commission of any act prohibited by, or the omission of any act required by 22 U.S.C. 2778, 22 U.S.C. 2779, or any regulation, license, approval, or order issued thereunder.
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§ 120.6 -- Defense article.
Defense article means any item or technical data designated in § 121.1 of this subchapter.
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§ 121.1 -- General. The United States munitions list.
(a) The following articles, services and related technical data are designated as defense articles and defense services pursuant to sections 38 and 47(7) of the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2778 and 2794(7)). Changes in designations will be published in the Federal Register. Information and clarifications on whether specific items are defense articles and services under this subchapter may appear periodically in the Defense Trade News published by the Center for Defense Trade.
(b) Significant military equipment: An asterisk precedes certain defense articles in the following list. The asterisk means that the article is deemed to be "significant military equipment" to the extent specified in § 120.19. The asterisk is placed as a convenience to help identify such articles.
(c) Certain items in the following list are placed in brackets. The brackets mean that the item is (1) scheduled to be moved to the licensing jurisdiction of the Department of Commerce upon establishment of a foreign policy control or (2) in the case of spacecraft and related equipment, the item is under review by an interagency space technical working group. The interagency review will result in a recommendation as to whether an item should be moved to the jurisdiction of the Department of Commerce or to USML category XV which was established for this purpose.
(d) Missile Technology Control Regime Annex (MTCR). Certain defense articles and services are identified in § 121.16 as being on the list of MTCR Annex items on the United States Munitions List. These are articles as specified in § 120.29 of this subchapter and appear on the list at § 121.16.
Category I-Firearms
*(a) Nonautomatic, semi-automatic and fully automatic firearms to caliber .50 inclusive, and all components and parts for such firearms. (See § 121.9 and §§ 123.16-123.19 of this subchapter.)
(b) Riflescopes manufactured to military specifications, and specifically designed or modified components therefor; firearm silencers and suppressors, including flash suppressors.
*(c) Insurgency-counterinsurgency type firearms or other weapons having a special military application (e.g. close assault weapons systems) regardless of caliber and all components and parts therefor.
(d) Technical data (as defined in § 120.21 of this subchapter) and defense services (as defined in § 120.8 of this subchapter) directly related to the defense articles enumerated in paragraphs (a) through (c) of this category. (See § 125.4 of this subchapter for exemptions.) Technical data directly related to the manufacture or production of any defense articles enumerated elsewhere in this category that are designated as Significant Military Equipment (SME) shall itself be designated SME.
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Originally Posted by Vincent
Vincent,
first of all I am not asking people "to risk fines and/or going to jail" as you say.
For me it is completely legal to import those parts here and legal to ask as well.
People are free to do what they best want to do, to help me or not. It is up to them.
I was not aware that also old collectables spare parts were subject to these rules.
And it sounds me very odd as well.
A good friend of mine in the US Army told me that only this list is forbidden :
"Just no receivers, silencers, machine guns, or what we term a firearm or explosive. Plus the part must be valued at less than $150 USD"
I bought already at ebay in US many small parts for my M1 Garands and M1903 (included completed wood stocks) from private people and no body mentioned me that, but sometime the real reason for which people do not ship overseas is because they are afraid that the parcel is lost along the way especially 'cause of the Italian custom and Italian Post Office where items are sometime even stolen.
US ebay dealers don't want to lose their money. This is a different story.
Ebay. com is full of private people who sell such parts and ship worldwide, look here for example
M1 Garand Springfield Trigger Housing with Clip Ejector | eBay
I buy a lot from many dealers in USA but they don't sell old parts for M1 Garands or M1903 rifles.
@To all
I found already the help I was looking for, thank you !.
I'm with you Vincent, just imagine being arrested and charged as an International arms smuggler for shipping a trigger housing!!!! But...but...Bizio said they do it all the time on EBay!!!!........ *(a) Nonautomatic, semi-automatic and fully automatic firearms to caliber .50 inclusive, and all components and parts for such firearms. (See § 121.9 and §§ 123.16-123.19 of this subchapter.)
Not only at ebay, at gunbroker.com too.
For example please have a look here, the first two links I found with "garand" keyword search ...
jarjarbinks11 | eBay
or here
angeliiz | eBay
Do they all have an export license which is generally for professional dealers and it is about $3,000 a year (this what a dealer told me) ?
Vincent,
you are not entirely correct about 27 CFR and the import or export of some particular parts. I import parts all the time from the EU and some require a one time free Form 6 and some do not. There is a number at the BATFE you can call about your part and what is required to have an export license if engaged in the business under 27 CFR or of a one time FREE approved Form 6 is required.
Also, have you thanked a Tennessean lately if your from Texas? I'm pretty sure you'd be parts of Mexico if we had not come down there and fought for the US... It's always great to be a part of the winning side.
V/R
SFC Buckner
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Originally Posted by Vincent
Thank you for your detailed explanation, Buckxo. :thup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckxo
Brian at BDL might be able to help. See his add above.
Thank you for your link, HOOKED ON HISTORY.Quote:
Originally Posted by HOOKED ON HISTORY
Thanks, WarPig1976. Nice to see someone gets it.Quote:
Originally Posted by WarPig1976
Bizio,
Here are some licensed exporters.
Borderview International
1718 NW 56th Street
Suite 304
Seattle, WA, USA 98107
Phone: (877) 947-4867
Fax: (877) 947-4867
email: export@borderview.com
web: Borderview | Firearm Export Services to Canada and more!
Firearms Export
1008 S Center St
Mesa, AZ 85210
Phone: 602-490-0011
Fax: 480-969-9687
contact: Robert Bagnato
email: Rob@weexportguns.com
web: Firearm Export
Irunguns, LLC
3509 N McCullouch Blvd
Lake Havasu City, AZ, USA 86406
Phone: (928) 706-7207
Fax: (780) 640-0708
email: inquiries@irunguns.us
web: I Run Guns LLC
Philip C. Tong
High Bridge Arms, Inc.
3185 Mission St.
San Francisco, CA 94110
phone: 415-643-9255
fax: 415-282-6520
Knesek Guns, Inc.
1204 Knesek Lane
Van Buren, AR 72956
Phone (479) 474-1680
Fax (479) 471-0377
website: Knesek Guns, Inc. | International Distributor of the Finest Firearms
Hurricane Butterfly Research Corp.
Tacoma, WA 98402
Phone: 253-414-6066
Fax: 253-272-4740
web: Home | Hurricane Butterfly Research Corp
email: jmwong@firearmslawgroup.com
Joe Andrean
Andrean Arms, Inc.
22 S. Main Street
New City, NY 10956
phone: 914-634-7646
fax: 914-634-7829
ETSS LLC
International Exporters
110 S. 7th Street, #D
Hotchkiss, CO 81419
USA
Tel.: +(001)970/872 3770
Fax.: +(001)970/872 3757
Web: ETSS - Home
Thanks for your list, Vincent.
I will contact some of them even if I think that for a M1 Garand Trigger Housing of $15 USD value they could tell me to go at ebay and search for an US seller who is shipping that part overseas.
And, as you can see from the two links I posted, there are some US sellers which do that without any problem.
Unfortunatly they had not the correct SA Drawing Number Trigger Housing I was looking for ...
Its a shame neither of you understand 27 CFR. You should call the import branch at the BATFE if you have questions.
I guess I will continue to import and export legally from the EU and have items you guys can only dream about owning...
V/R
Buck
The Big Red One
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Originally Posted by Vincent
I took a look to all those websites and the only one listing some prices is the one at top of the list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent
Pricing for Worldwide Exports | Borderview | Firearm Export Services to Canada and more!
That means that for a complete WWII M1 Garand Trigger Group which is assembled with 11 different parts which is about $50.00 USD value, I would spend with this agent $ 1,789.00 USD + 5% of $50 USD :super::rofl:Quote:
AMMUNITION, PARTS, COMPONENTS, ACCESSORIES, OPTICAL SCOPES
$299 for the first line item, $149 for each additional line item on the same purchase order.
+ 5% of the value of the exported merchandise
Email for a quote for quantities of 10 or more different line items.
Note: shipping of ammunition from the U.S. in small quantities is very expensive.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...ptrigger-1.jpg
There's no export license required for a parts shipment valued under $100. However, it still has to be lodged with the AES-ITN system prior to shipment regardless of value. A registered exporter must be registered with CBP/Census in order to receive the International Transaction Number. Lots of folks are mailing parts and pieces without an AES-ITN and they're all in violation of ITAR. BATFE has nothing to do with exports unless it's a Title II firearm, (read machine gun). All firearm exports except pre-1899 antiques and parts shipments over $100 USD are licensed by either DDTC, U.S. Dept. of State or U.S. Dept. of Commerce depending on the type of firearm and parts being exported. I am registered with DDTC, DOC and AES. Contact me directly at bdlltd@bellsouth.net if you have more questions.
Brian
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I should add that the NLR status never applies to barrels, breech blocks or bolts.
Thank you, Briand Dick. I saved your email address in my agenda.
I was aware of $100 USD limit since I placed many orders with Brownells and they can ship parts of arm up to that amount.
We have in Italy an import restriction for really few parts of arm : barrels, slides, frames, receivers, bolts and cylinders of revolvers. I need a special Police authorization which generally takes 2 weeks time to get redy and $ 50 USD fees before I can import those parts from other EEC countries. From no EEC countries I have no idea, I never did that before.
I understand what you are saying but BATFE and the State Dept share this jurisdiction for export. I've been shipping hazmat and other items internationally for both DOE and DOD for 25 years as my livelihood.
Bottom line is that Bizio can have the part legally shipped to him in Italy, and while it is nice to use a registered exporter, one is not REQUIRED for the transaction.
V/R
Buck
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Originally Posted by Brian Dick
It's legal as long as it's lodged with AES. Since most regular folks aren't registered in the system, it's much easier to use someone who is. I've been exporting, (and importing), firearms and parts since 1995 so I know a little bit about it too.