Fell off the wagon with a K-31 and Argentine Mauser

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12-14-2013, 07:06 PM
Calfed

Fell off the wagon with a K-31 and Argentine Mauser

I was in recovery from mil-surp addiction until I made the mistake of looking at the auctions. It is kinda like an alcoholic wandering into a bar just to see "what's going on". Big mistake.

I fell off the wagon and ended up wining a late model K-31 and an Argentine Engineers carbine. In my defense, I've been looking for an '09 Argentine Engineer's carbine for some time. They are relatively rare and usually in pretty rough shape compared to many of the long rifles.

The K-31? No excuses...I love the ones made in the late 50's, just before they ended production. It is nothing special, average condition, but a very late manufacture.

Here is the Argentine Engineers carbine:

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...0e6815a7-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...1a4cf450-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...d7078fd6-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...f631a052-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...7ca79c98-1.jpg
12-14-2013, 07:37 PM
Salt Flat

Calfed, Very nice! What is the barrel length? Salt Flat
12-16-2013, 12:35 AM
Calfed

I believe it is 21.5".

I'll measure it when it arrives.
12-16-2013, 11:50 AM
HOOKED ON HISTORY

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I thought the Calvery & Engineer Carbines were configured like this.
I think I would fall off the wagon for a Argentine Mauser like that and the K-31 is milsurps crack.
12-16-2013, 12:36 PM
Anzac15

Calfed, why in the world would you want to recover from milsurpitis? Beautiful Argie engineer!
12-16-2013, 01:48 PM
Calfed

Quote:

Originally Posted by HOOKED ON HISTORY

I thought the Calvery & Engineer Carbines were configured like this.
I think I would fall off the wagon for a Argentine Mauser like that and the K-31 is milsurps crack.

Thanks, HoH.

I believe the configuration illustrated in your picture is the "Cavalry carbine". I have several '09 "Cavalry carbines".

DWM
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...bine0211-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...bine0201-1.jpg

DGFM

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo..._zps23cd-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo..._zpsc799-1.jpg

My new one is referred to as an "Engineer's carbine" or "Mountain carbine".

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Originally Posted by Anzac15

Calfed, why in the world would you want to recover from milsurpitis? Beautiful Argie engineer!

Thanks, Anzac.

It is mainly my long-suffering wife who seeks a cure for my milsurpitis.
12-16-2013, 04:23 PM
HOOKED ON HISTORY

I am no expert so not being contrary. Just trying to educate myself. I thought the engineer and calvery were basicly the same with different sling arrangements? Calvery being side mounted and the engineer being in the standard location and one having a bayonet lug and the other not?
12-16-2013, 04:57 PM
Calfed

Quote:

Originally Posted by HOOKED ON HISTORY

I am no expert so not being contrary. Just trying to educate myself. I thought the engineer and calvery were basicly the same with different sling arrangements? Calvery being side mounted and the engineer being in the standard location and one having a bayonet lug and the other not?

That is not my understanding.

Per Ball's "Mauser Military rifles of the World" the "Mountain Carbine" (also known as the "Engineer's model") is in a standard carbine configuration stock and the "Cavalry carbine" has the full length "Mannlicher" style stock.
12-16-2013, 06:23 PM
HOOKED ON HISTORY

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Originally Posted by Calfed

That is not my understanding.

Per Ball's "Mauser Military rifles of the World" the "Mountain Carbine" (also known as the "Engineer's model") is in a standard carbine configuration stock and the "Cavalry carbine" has the full length "Mannlicher" style stock.

I am going to go with your understanding as you have better refrences than google. I have seen three different configurations of the rifle I posted. The picture I posted and another with an intermediate band with a bayonet lug and a side/swivel mounted sling attachment(1909 model?) and yet one more with the sling attachments on the bottom of the stock and forend.My example is odd in that it seems to have been converted to its current configuration.Now your renewed addiction has me adding another Mauser to my Christmas list.I hope it is as pretty as the pictures.
12-16-2013, 06:30 PM
Calfed

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Originally Posted by HOOKED ON HISTORY

I am going to go with your understanding as you have better refrences than google. I have seen three different configurations of the rifle I posted. The picture I posted and another with an intermediate band with a bayonet lug and a side/swivel mounted sling attachment(1909 model?) and yet one more with the sling attachments on the bottom of the stock and forend.My example is odd in that it seems to have been converted to its current configuration.Now your renewed addiction has me adding another Mauser to my Christmas list.I hope it is as pretty as the pictures.

AFAIK, the 1891 Argentine (the one in the picture that you attached) has no "Mountain" or "Engineer's" carbine. Only the '09 Mauser came in that configuration.

I've seen both of the '91 Mauser carbine versions that you described.
12-16-2013, 06:34 PM
HOOKED ON HISTORY

So mine is simply an 1891 carbine?
12-16-2013, 06:44 PM
Calfed

Yours appears to be a "Cavalry carbine".

The 1891 Argentine "Engineers''s carbine" looks like this

http://www.gunauction.com/search/dis...temnum=8123898

There was no conventional stocked 1891 carbine AFAIK...both of the '91's had the full length stock.
12-16-2013, 06:50 PM
HOOKED ON HISTORY

The apparent arsenal repairs on the stock of mine seem to indicate it was configured lik the one in the link at some point. I learn somthing new each time I visit. Thanks
Let us know when your "package" is delivered by santa in a brown suit.
I would have paid $160 for that one. Liberty Tree has some interesting stuff.
12-16-2013, 06:57 PM
Calfed

I'll post better pics, description and a range report when it arrives.

The Liberty Tree auction rifle was missing the bolt.
12-16-2013, 06:59 PM
HOOKED ON HISTORY

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Originally Posted by Calfed

I'll post better pics, description and a range report when it arrives.

The Liberty Tree auction rifle was missing the bolt.

Did not notice that. I do have a spare bolt body. I have a bad habit of bringing home "shelter pet milsurps".
12-19-2013, 01:23 PM
Merle

Quote:

Originally Posted by HOOKED ON HISTORY

I thought the Calvery & Engineer Carbines were configured like this.
I think I would fall off the wagon for a Argentine Mauser like that and the K-31 is milsurps crack.

The picture is of an 1891 carbine, not a 1909.
12-20-2013, 10:27 PM
Anzac15

Hoping the guy with the 1891 Argie engineers carbine is at the gun show tomorrow. Should have bought it last weekend. It'll be coming home with me if its still there!
12-21-2013, 03:27 PM
HOOKED ON HISTORY

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Originally Posted by Anzac15

Hoping the guy with the 1891 Argie engineers carbine is at the gun show tomorrow. Should have bought it last weekend. It'll be coming home with me if its still there!

Hope so. Let us know.
12-22-2013, 11:19 PM
DocAitch

Argentine Cavalry carbine and Engineers carbine

I fall off the wagon about once a month.
Here are the 1891 cavalry and engineer's carbine side by side.https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../12/sfka-1.jpg https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../12/1p1u-1.jpg https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../12/c6lf-1.jpg

I recently read a post lamenting the fact? that the engineer's carbine had the "junk" (bayo lug and different swivels) added onto the sweet lines of the cavalry carbine.
I am happy to have them both, even though the cavalry carbine has been sanded/polished
DocAitch
12-27-2013, 01:00 AM
Calfed

Very nice, Doc