New to M1 carbines....what do I have????????

First of all I'm new here, so nice to be part of a group with a passion for the same thing rising up in me....these things are addictive...So I came across a 1942 Inland M1 carbine I got in trade….would like to learn more about the rifle and its value….the story I got from the guy I got it from was….in mid 1960s the guy he got it from bought this rifle through the NRA. Cost was $20.00 and was sent directly from Rock Island Arsenal Depot and has not been altered since. It seems like it was referbed after WW2 and never left again until private purchase as its in perfect shape. I have the original bill of sale from the US government to the original owner. I also got a box of 1960s era ammo with 9 rounds left in box. Supposedly 41 rounds are all that has been through rifle since full arsenal referb….(until last weekend…lol +100) also came with 5 30 rnd mags, 3 15 rnd mags, M4 bayonet, a M1 carbine book, sling, oiler and 2 mag pouches ( one for short mags and one for 30 rounders….the parts are mix matched but this is how it was….this is what I know….if not listed its unmarked or I haven’t broken it down that far yet. Thanks
Stock is marked with
• In sling well….HI and ordinance bomb
• Left side…..RIA over EB in a box
• Right side butt…..cross cannons cartouche
• Hand guard OI
Barrel is marked
• INLAND division of general motors( something like that) no date
• On front of gasblock has a WI
• Front sight…NI
• Barrel band... JM with bayonet lug
Operating slide parts
• Slide…PI
• Slide spring guide…Q
Receiver
• Inland
• Sn# 438,770
• Rear sight…IR Co 007160060
• Recoil plate…W
• Bolt…N 6 (haven’t broken down yet)
Trigger group
• Trigger housing vertical inland
• Trigger….JU
• Sear…HI
• Hammer…SG
• Magazine catch….M with a smaller WA running beside it
• Safety is a push button ( haven’t taken out yet)
It really looks just like the one on the top of page on the USCARBINECAL30M1.COM website

Congratulations and welcome to the Carbine forum! You have a 1960s weapon sold by the DCM (Department of Civilian Marksmanship - the predecessor of today's CMP) . Sounds like a typical post war rebuild. Remember, that is not a bad thing. Just because it was not "as left the factory in 1943", it is still an "as issued" weapon that is a piece of US and military history "as is." After WW II virtually all but a few were rebuilt with upgrades (adjustable sights, flip safeties, better magazine catches, and better barrel bands that both held the barrel more secure for better accuracy and accommodated a bayonet/lug. These upgrade weapons were used in Korea, Vietnam, Central America, and untold National Guard and Reserve units until the 197os or even later.

thanks, so CMP was sold through the NRA and drop shipped directly from US government arsenals ( rock island arsenal)? the paperwork I have is directly from Rock Island Depot and has all release of liability from the US. $17.50 + $2.50 s&h lol.... does anyone know its value and is it worth trying to get piece by piece parts to get it all matching? I hate to mess with its "correct" incorrectness....

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Originally Posted by zage tactical

thanks, so CMP was sold through the NRA and drop shipped directly from US government arsenals ( rock island arsenal)? the paperwork I have is directly from Rock Island Depot and has all release of liability from the US. $17.50 + $2.50 s&h lol.... does anyone know its value and is it worth trying to get piece by piece parts to get it all matching? I hate to mess with its "correct" incorrectness....

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DCM was the old program in the 60s that sold through NRA. It evolved into CMP, which is the current program that sells directly.

As far as restoring it to 1943 "as issued" the cost would probably run into 4 digits, depending what early parts it needs. If you want one as issued in 1943, etc., look around. I sold a correct 1943 Inland last year for under $1500 and a 1944 Winchester for $1450. It would probably cost more to "restore yours". Also consider that once you "restore" yours, it is not original in any sense (either as issued in 1943 or as issued after rebuild post war). It is just a carbine cobbled together by you from various parts. As it sits, especially with the original paperwork from DCM, it is worth much more as a piece of History.

If you are dead set on an original, either buy one or take an un-papered mix-master carbine to restore. Ones like yours with original paperwork are very rare.

thanks explains a lot....pictures (very bad ones due to limit on size, can email better ones) and a scanned copy of paperwork are in my photo gallery.....

Zage,

Welcome to the carbine forum. For extra information you can use the search feature.

Your DCM carbine is a mixed parts gun. Most from them were. Having the original paperwork adds value. As does the accessories. What would be very helpful are pictures. It's pretty easy and we have a sticky that explain how to do it.
How do I show pics from Photobucket, Flickr, ImageShack etc. on milsurps.com?
If you break it down and take pictures of the parts and markings it will be easier for us to give you additional information.
As for restoring, finding parts for an early carbine would be costly. And usually not worth it in the long run.
Also take pictures of the magazines. Are the 30 round full seam, or half seam, markings. Is the bayonet leather handled, maker, resharpened. C or D clip sling. Oiler marking. Markings on the pouches. All these items adds value to your total package.

We look forward to seeing you carbine.

Enjoy the forum. Jim

have to work on pictures..lol

here are a few pics..I have a bunch and will post more in a while...thanks
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here are the papers sale from rock island arsenal depot....will work on getting it bigger....http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/...binepapers.jpg

Outstanding military rebuilt Carbine! It has Rock Island rebuild stamp and Rock Island DCM shipping papers. That is a peach! It is almost a twin to mine, but mine lacks the paperwork and rebuild stamp. It would be a mortal sin to change it.

That's a neat little carbine, like it's own little history lesson. All the right stuff for it's time and everything matches.

thanks.......I have enjoyed it since I got it.. think ill keep it for my boys to enjoy one day...if anyone has feedback on the accessories I would appreciate it....the 30 rounders have no marks but are shiny blued..maybe repops or real? thanks again

I think the 30s are civilian made. I can't see any markings anywhere or anything to make me think they're military. Doesn't matter, if they work that's fine. The bayonet is Turner Manufacturing and correct for Korea or after. The pouches can be viewed on another thread here that a senior member shows in his full collection. There's info on all the pouch manufacturers here too...

It is a wonderful piece of history to pass on to your kids. It is a self contained historical story. Congrats. Kids, even when they get old, will love it. My son is 38 and a Captain for San Diego Co. Fire. He has an HK91 clone and an AR15 M4gery, as well as some more traditional weapons. Dad's M1 Carbine is one of his favorite to shoot, however. When we get together and go shoot, he always makes sure I am bringing the carbine. There is also the history part, as he knows his grandfather (my dad) carried an Inland M1 Carbine on Iwo Jima, and his dad (me, of course) carried one for years as a Law Enforcement trunk weapon. He grew up shooting the carbine.

thanks for all the info.....very helpful....here is a better image of the papers from the arsenal....$17.50 + $2.50 S&H..........ill take 100....lol ironic it was sold to a guy in NY
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...Scan0001-1.jpg

ordered November 22, 1967 and shipped out of dept December 13, 1967.......:dancingbanana:

CMP sold thousands of Carbines (and Garands) around 2007-2010. I got a nice Inland rack grade for $435, though other grades and maker were a little more. There is word that there may be 1500 more in CMP later this year. That will last about a week.

1500 may last 2 days if you are lucky but since the CMP hasn't had any in close to 7 years now and aren't expecting anymore unless by some miracle the State Dept releases the 3/4 million sitting in Korea, but don't hold your breath, those 1500 might even end up on the auction block. Just my 2 pennies.

so does anyone have any idea what my M1 may be worth with the "as issued" status and the paperwork? and does it being a direct purchase from Rock Island Arsenal in 1967 make it any more valuable? thanks

It is probably worth more "as is" with the paperwork than it would be as a put together almost like original parts gun restored to its 1944 as issue. In this case, "resoring it would decrease its value. Just my humble opinion.

I have chosen not to change a thing, as it is exactly as it would have been if sent into Korea...after in was referbed between 47-58 I don't think it ever left RIA...so I agree, im not changing a thing thanks... is the sn# 42,42, or 44? I thought it was 1942...

oops, probably 42-43. I have been talking to someone else about a 4.6 Winchester.

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Originally Posted by zage tactical

I have chosen not to change a thing, as it is exactly as it would have been if sent into Korea...after in was referbed between 47-58 I don't think it ever left RIA...so I agree, im not changing a thing thanks... is the sn# 42,42, or 44? I thought it was 1942...

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From WB III, "The Inlander" an in house periodical shows SN 500,000 was delivered July 15, 1943. Your 438,770 a month or two before?

so probably a 43 for sure....thanks you guys are so helpful....anyone on the value?

I just got my 6 digit Inland 1950ish rebuild in nearly identical condition (no papers or rebuild stamps on stock) for what would have been $750 (was asking $850), The magazines and pouches another couple hundred, and $50 or $60 on the bayonet. Sling and oiler (if D tip) another $40. The papers coupled with the RIA rebuild stamp adds another $100 to $200 in my mind. Total in the $1100 (easily) to $1300 (to right buyer). Just my hunch.

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Originally Posted by imarangemaster

I just got my 6 digit Inland 1950ish rebuild in nearly identical condition (no papers or rebuild stamps on stock) for what would have been $750 (was asking $850), The magazines and pouches another couple hundred, and $50 or $60 on the bayonet. Sling and oiler (if D tip) another $40. The papers coupled with the RIA rebuild stamp adds another $100 to $200 in my mind. Total in the $1100 (easily) to $1300 (to right buyer). Just my hunch.

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thanks bud....