.22RF Pattern 1914 Short Rifle No.1 - And others from the Melbourne Antique Arms Fair

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07-06-2014, 03:41 AM
aussietomcatter

.22RF Pattern 1914 Short Rifle No.1 - And others from the Melbourne Antique Arms Fair

G'day all,

I picked up quite a score today (I think so at least) with a new addition to my collection, a .22 PATT '14 No.1, converted by Westley Richards & Co. It seems to be a good honest example, with matching wood, nose cap, bolt and barrel. There were not a great deal of these converted (427 on the record), and the rifle has had quite a history. It needs a bit of a light clean up, but the bore is quite good, and the wood seems solid, I'm quite chuffed to have this piece in my collection to be honest. Would love to hear what you all think about it.

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There was quite a wide range of Enfields at the fair, including a HT Sniper, Q^P rifle, Calvary carbines and some of the rarer year Lithgows. As usual, there were quite a few junkers in the pile as well.

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Apologies for the orietantion of the photos, my internet is too slow too attempt modifying them right now without driving to Melbourne to get better reception.
07-06-2014, 04:55 AM
Bindi2

The Hilux must be fixed and the disposable up, good score. Whose table.
07-06-2014, 05:00 AM
Aussie48

More to the point what were the prices like?
Kicking myself now that I didn't go :banghead:
07-06-2014, 05:31 AM
aussietomcatter

The prices were on the cheap side mate, your standard matching numbers 1940's Lithgow was going around $500-700 sticker price. I don't really have any dramas disclosing that I paid $1300 for my little piece of history. Not bad when you consider that No2 MkIV's are selling for $900-1000 for good examples.

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The Hilux is on track ;) It was on Jeff Panan's table mate, along with some other goodies.
07-06-2014, 05:55 AM
Colonel Enfield

Not sure I'd call $500-$700 for a standard 1940s Lithgow "on the cheap side", personally. Looks like you picked up a lovely rifle though!
07-06-2014, 06:54 AM
superbee

How much was the HT sniper?
I am looking for one.
Anybody willing to export one to canada??
07-06-2014, 07:14 AM
Bindi2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colonel Enfield

Not sure I'd call $500-$700 for a standard 1940s Lithgow "on the cheap side", personally. !

It is when you are waiting for them to get to $1,000 +:D
07-06-2014, 07:20 PM
kruffe

Holy c***! You Sir live in Lee Enfield heaven! Greetings from continental Europe...
07-08-2014, 04:49 AM
Colonel Enfield

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bindi2

It is when you are waiting for them to get to $1,000 +:D

That's only if you're buying them, of course. When you're selling them, they're worthless because they made millions of them during The War or something.
07-08-2014, 05:55 AM
Bindi2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colonel Enfield

That's only if you're buying them, of course. When you're selling them, they're worthless because they made millions of them during The War or something.

Somebody has to be selling for the price to $400 to $700.
07-08-2014, 06:23 AM
Maxwell Smart

Can you recall what sort of price was on the No 8's?
07-08-2014, 06:33 AM
bigduke6

aussietomcatter,

Nice rifle, hope your going to shoot it ? I shoot all mine (.22 Enfields) athough limited on two of them as they are now "part of a collection", my Mk1V gets a run out all the time for a winter postal leauge. As for price I wouldnt hesitate for what you paid, good examples are becoming hard to find.
07-08-2014, 09:49 AM
Son

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maxwell Smart

Can you recall what sort of price was on the No 8's?

I spoke to him while he was looking at them, IIRC the No8's were $1200
07-08-2014, 11:53 AM
Brian Dick

I have the mate to your P'14 Sht. No.1, started out as an Enfield 1897 LE Mk.1, converted to Enfield 1905 SHT. LE Cond II and then .22 PATT '14 No.1!! It's also sports Australian ownership marks. Whew, wish it could talk.
07-09-2014, 07:01 AM
Colonel Enfield

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bindi2

Somebody has to be selling for the price to $400 to $700.

Every gun shop I have ever been to has SMLEs for sale and there's always tables full of them at the gun shows. Plenty of people are selling, they just want unreasonable prices for them IMHO.
07-09-2014, 07:20 AM
Maxwell Smart

Quote:

Originally Posted by Son

I spoke to him while he was looking at them, IIRC the No8's were $1200

Thanks for that.
07-10-2014, 04:03 AM
aussietomcatter

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Dick

I have the mate to your P'14 Sht. No.1, started out as an Enfield 1897 LE Mk.1, converted to Enfield 1905 SHT. LE Cond II and then .22 PATT '14 No.1!! It's also sports Australian ownership marks. Whew, wish it could talk.

That's actually pretty exciting mate, you should throw some pics up! I am very much smitten with this rifle!

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bigduke6

aussietomcatter,

Nice rifle, hope your going to shoot it ? I shoot all mine (.22 Enfields) athough limited on two of them as they are now "part of a collection", my Mk1V gets a run out all the time for a winter postal leauge. As for price I wouldnt hesitate for what you paid, good examples are becoming hard to find.

Yes, I intend to shoot it. I also have a No2 MkIV, so I have a couple of trainers to choose from now. I intend to keep adding trainers as they turn up though.

---------- Post added at 06:03 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:02 PM ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Son

I spoke to him while he was looking at them, IIRC the No8's were $1200

Yep, $1200 a pop, was considering one myself. There are still a couple of things there that I am going to ring him back up to see if he still has in a couple of weeks.. haha