Got the "403 Forbidden" message on jouster...
Guess its gone for good.
Sad day.
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Got the "403 Forbidden" message on jouster...
Guess its gone for good.
Sad day.
FWIW - I'm on it right now......
I got the error message. I think it is gone for good. I'll miss that format.
I'll miss the Maj. and Mrs Culver.
Good people. I wish them well.
Hey Sukey, did you remember to turn out the lights at jouster.com?
Raise a mug in toast, move on, honor the memory.
It's the people not the format that makes the forum.
I sure hope to see the Culvers here, some time.
Tommy :beerchug:
Remember when our hostess tried to change the format to a more modern form? While I didn't protest, I did keep posting to the old site, ignorant of the trouble that I brought down on the Culver's. Dang I still can't find the words, so I will just apologize for not supporting the format change and once again thank them for the knowledge and entertainment I received.
Thank you, Bob
Tango Yankee! & Well Done!
Best of luck to Dick and Gloria.
It is my understanding this remains their site and we will still be privileged to hear from them in the futureQuote:
Originally Posted by ihc53
This Morning I did find Not Found
The requested URL /cgi-bin/guntalk/config.pl was not found on this server.
It's been a good ride. Wish them the best.
And the same pack of "Flat-Earthers" that "killed" that format change were still bellyaching, still "looking for solutions" to the old software deficiencies and b!tching about this format right up to the minute they pulled the plug on the old CSP! Some folks just seem to have minds so narrow that they can only use 1" wide notepads!Quote:
Originally Posted by talucah
In IT, "change" is a given, and the one thing that you can't do is stand still!
John,Quote:
Originally Posted by John Kepler
That is a 10X shot!
Great posting!!!:thup:
Don
Dead on, John . . .
Perhaps you are correct, John, but for some of us who are not "computer literate' change is difficult, and there are some changes which do not come easily. Im sure Im not alone in wishing for some things that used to be and are no longer around. I reckon that most of us could list many examples.Quote:
Originally Posted by John Kepler
I realize that once in awhile "change" is necessary, but I also think that "change" just for the sake of "change" is foolish, and perhaps got us to where we are now. (And I dont mean THIS format) "Hope and Change", Sound familiar? :bow:Just one OFs opinion..... :confused: Ken
Quirky of me Ken, but I've always wanted to know how stuff works....can't stand it when I don't, which is probably why I became an engineer! What "computer literacy" I have....and it's limited, is based on that drive. What I can do, anyone can do....it ain't that tough!Quote:
Perhaps you are correct, John, but for some of us who are not "computer literate' change is difficult,
And if a pig had wings, it'd be an eagle! There are also tons of things that I'm glad are gone for good....breaker-point ignitions come immediately to mind...septic infections and polio are another! Progress equals change, and it's inevitable....the alternative is extinction!Quote:
and there are some changes which do not come easily. Im sure Im not alone in wishing for some things that used to be and are no longer around. I reckon that most of us could list many examples.
Once in a while? Okey Dokey, but I disagree...."change" is the rule, not the exception! The rest is an "academic" point, and NOT applicable to this situation. The change wasn't just "necessary", it was vital....the alternative (doing nothing, maintaining the "status quo") was the complete extinction of CSP! CSP had become a malware portal....it's antiquated software, created in a simpler, more benign (more naive) time was vulnerable to purveyors of malware....and they exploited those vulnerabilities! AOL had already blocked CSP, and other ISP's were about to (including mine!).Quote:
I realize that once in awhile "change" is necessary, but I also think that "change" just for the sake of "change" is foolish, and perhaps got us to where we are now. (And I dont mean THIS format)
Had Mrs. Culver been able to upgrade the software back when she was trying to....this change could have happened more gradually and the "transparency" that certain folks got their panties in a wad over could have happened. As it was, it became a case of "crisis management", and some folks got what they considered "bruised toes". Tough beans! The "Scheiss-Sturm" that happened when Mrs Culver TRIED to change software formats got us to where we were last week....and it was largely the same corps that continue to carp that nixed that change in the first place ("Vox populi....vox humbug!")! It been a classic case of arranging deck-chairs on the "Titanic" ever since!
Folks over on the Enfield Forum saw the inevitable end first....and seem to have been the leaders in finding a new CSP home. We owe them a great vote of thanks (instead of accusing them of venal conspiracy!). Yes, it has required "change"; and even though you may object to said "change"....failure to do so has even greater consequences.....remember the Dodo?
To a certain extent I agree with John K. As a retired PC Tech, I had to face the fact that my Commodore 64 just didn't cut it anymore. Ditto my first XT that sits in the atttic. It's fun to fire it up occasionally but it just won't do Windows.
That said, it was still painfull to see the old CSP shut down for the last time. We had so many good times there, even the old pizzing contests are missed. We are creatures of habit and it's hard to move on to something new yet again.
As I scan the obits in my local dish rag today I see that I'm not in there, even though an old shooting friend is. It's going to be a good day.
I've got an old Apple 2E (who says you've gotta have a hard-drive!) as well as the first 386 box I built (with a 10 meg WD hard-drive that cost more than my current Dell lap-top!)! We won't even talk about Fortran IV or the IBM 1160 I "learned" on
On 6 march I got the 403, on 7 March, I was re-directed to this new location.. I have both in my "favorites".
"Folks over on the Enfield Forum saw the inevitable end first....and seem to have been the leaders in finding a new CSP home. We owe them a great vote of thanks (instead of accusing them of venal conspiracy!). Yes, it has required "change"; and even though you may object to said "change"....failure to do so has even greater consequences.....remember the Dodo?"[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
I think I did say I wasnt talking about this forum, perhaps you missed it?
Yes, I remember breaker point ignition, and I remember it could be fixed without having to spend a fortune or involving technicians with scanalyzers.
I am not against change per se, but I am not rushing blindly out to change what I have become accustomed to simply because Mr. Jones next door has something with more bells and whistles on it. I also see the forces of change working to revise the constitution, and it is my wish that they do not succeed. Change does not in every instance mean progress. If that makes me a Dodo, so be it.:dunno:
Of course.....it also required CONSTANT "fixing" and never ran as well as an electronic ignition that rarely if ever fails! FWIW, all of my restored "classics" that I drive have "Petronix" electronic replacement ignitions....the 66 Buick 425 Wildcat has an MSD with a custom-programed advance curve (that big old Nailhead just LOVES it!).....they just run better, longer, with NO futzing! Besides Ken....if you buy the software and a suitable cable, a laptop will scan your car and tell you EXACTLY what's wrong with it...then a well-trained monkey can fix it!Quote:
Yes, I remember breaker point ignition, and I remember it could be fixed without having to spend a fortune or involving technicians with scanalyzers.
I told you Ken....I just can't stand not knowing how stuff works! Nobody works on my cars but me....and I don't "spend a fortune"! Knowledge is power!
HARDLY the same thing.....not even close. This is a disingenuous statement and you know it!Quote:
I also see the forces of change working to revise the constitution, and it is my wish that they do not succeed.
Your call! Your choice! And I'll keep my opinion of your position to myself ("E pur si muove!").Quote:
Change does not in every instance mean progress. If that makes me a Dodo, so be it.
Well, John, it must be nice to know everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by John Kepler
Engineers, of course, never make any mistakes.
As far as hooking a computer up to a car, forget it. Im lucky I managed to hook it up to 110VAC.
I suppose you must marvel at those of us who managed to reach old age without knowing our butt from 1st base.
I still maintain that change simply for the sake of change is nothing but an exercise in stupidity, or at best,an effort to separate the gullible from their money.
I also believe that there are a great many things that should not be changed, others that cannot be changed,and there is no need for anyone to try.
Just a comment, Ain't nuthing deader than a dead transistor. And they don't replace that transistor, but rather they sock you with a whole new circuit board at very high price!
Naw....just used to dealing with my Dad! He built his first computer when he was in his 70's and can do anything with one that I can. He's 86 now, can't see worth spit and is kinda frail....but he's re-formating a hard-drive as we speak! "Old Age" and "ossified" aren't necessarily synonyms.Quote:
.I suppose you must marvel at those of us who managed to reach old age without knowing our butt from 1st base.
Oh...and just to get you even further PO'ed....Pop's an engineer too....so was Grandpa....so are two of my 4 sons!
"Some people insist that it's wrong to place all of your eggs in one basket, preferring to spread them around. This is a fundamentally flawed concept! It is far better to place all your eggs in one basket, and THEN WATCH THAT BASKET!" S.L. ClemensQuote:
Originally Posted by John Sukey
Oh, and John.....a "dead" condenser in your breaker-point ignition is every bit as "dead" as any transistor (or in the case of the Petronics, an IC!) and you're just as much a pedestrian with either one! The difference is that while your nearest FLAPS may have a replacement Petronics in stock.....I guaranty you they'll have to order that condenser!
"Oh...and just to get you even further PO'ed....Pop's an engineer too....so was Grandpa....so are two of my 4 sons!"
John, you assume too much. Im not POed at all. We merely share a difference of opinion.
One of my good friends is an engineer, and there isnt much that he cannot do. He will turn his hand to just about any task.
I also have differences of opinion with him, however.
"People take different roads seeking fulfillment and happiness. Just because they are not on your road does not mean theyve gotten lost"
Devil Dog. Towards the top at the right you'll see a button that says "Display Mode". Click that then click "Thread Mode" and above the posting you'll see a thread similar to what was on CSP. Click on those threads and it'll take you through the messages rather quickly. If you leave then later come back, click on the thread you haven't read rather than scrolling through all the posts. It doesn't give you the threads from the entire forum, such as M1903, but on the current topic you selected.
Answering in thread mode also allows you to answer/respond to a particular post rather than having your post go to the bottom (like I responded to yours).
John Kepler - I tu were a enginear an still cain't spel it. Software was my game, and I understand the need to attempt to stay at least half a step ahead of the jerkoffs who enjoy nothing better than to make life miserable for everybody else.
I still enjoy working offline with my Osborne I. Those were the days!
Remember Wordstar, and Supercalc which would "Hotlink" updating data as you changed it in one it would automatically update in the other, and these were products from two different companies. Microsoft was so proud to get Word and Excel to hotlink in Windows, but that was already Old Technology by the time they finally succeeded.
I started with single sided single density floppy drives, upgraded to single sided double density drives, added a RAM Drive (WOW, the speed was phenomenal), and finally to double sided quad density drives. I could have Wordstar, Supercalc, a spell checker, Fancy Font (all of their Fonts), dBase II, and who knows how much more, on one floppy (don't forget the CP/M operating system was on each floppy disk, too). Those were the days of TIGHT CODE! Now we have to go to DSL (*Damn Small LINUX*) for tight code, store it on a CD or even on a USB Pen Drive installed and ready to run even if you are running Windows.
AHhhh YEESSSSS!
Gyrene OFC
semper fi
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Wow, our first semi-****ing contest. Hurrah!
I remember those cubes of wires and torsoidal (sp?) magnets for memory, the PDP-8's, my friends $600.00 Radio Shack with casette tape memory and I think 80K ram and my AST PC with an 8mhz clock and 20 meg hard drive. Whoo-oo we are flying now!
I don't normally like change even the change I've caused. I like to know how things work and when things change I don't know how the new thing works.
But this place seems pretty nice and with everyone adding the tips they've learned as time goes by it gets easier to visit this place.
You brought back memories of those single sided disks. We would take a hole puncher, notch the other side and it worked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyrene
PhillipM - We did the same to use the other side, too. Some single sided disks worked and some didn't, and it was always related to the manufacturer, because some disks were coated the same on both sides, and other manufacturers were more careful about giving away something for nothing.
I still have a couple of Timex/Sinclairs (haven't seen them for several years though). A friend of mine used one to run his electronic lab for a number of years, as it had capabilities that most of us never see. It used the same chip as the Osbornes, the Z80 (similar to the Intel 8080). They came with 2k of RAM, and could be epanded with an add-on, up to (I think I remember correctly) 32k (WOW!!!). In that 2k of RAM it held a BASIC Interpreter, and could hold a full 8 1/2 X 11 page of text.
For those who didn't know, the Osborne I had 64k of RAM. The later Osborne (I can't remember its name now) had 128k of RAM by using a mirrored image, most Osborne I users that I knew shied away from them, but were still in awe of all that available RAM.
One of my Osborne I's was a BBS for several years, with a 10 MB hard drive that never seemed to run out of storage space. Those were the early days of the Internet.
Gyrene OFC
semper fi
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