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[John Kepler]

Remember when our hostess tried to change the format to a more modern form? While I didn't protest, I did keep posting to the old site, ignorant of the trouble that I brought down on the Culver's. Dang I still can't find the words, so I will just apologize for not supporting the format change and once again thank them for the knowledge and entertainment I received.
Thank you, Bob

And the same pack of "Flat-Earthers" that "killed" that format change were still bellyaching, still "looking for solutions" to the old software deficiencies and b!tching about this format right up to the minute they pulled the plug on the old CSP! Some folks just seem to have minds so narrow that they can only use 1" wide notepads!

In IT, "change" is a given, and the one thing that you can't do is stand still!

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[Donald Buckbee]

And the same pack of "Flat-Earthers" that "killed" that format change were still bellyaching, still "looking for solutions" to the old software deficiencies and b!tching about this format right up to the minute they pulled the plug on the old CSP! Some folks just seem to have minds so narrow that they can only use 1" wide notepads!

In IT, "change" is a given, and the one thing that you can't do is stand still!

John,

That is a 10X shot!
Great posting!!!

Don

[Quarks]

Dead on, John . . .

[Ken C.]

And the same pack of "Flat-Earthers" that "killed" that format change were still bellyaching, still "looking for solutions" to the old software deficiencies and b!tching about this format right up to the minute they pulled the plug on the old CSP! Some folks just seem to have minds so narrow that they can only use 1" wide notepads!

In IT, "change" is a given, and the one thing that you can't do is stand still!

Perhaps you are correct, John, but for some of us who are not "computer literate' change is difficult, and there are some changes which do not come easily. Im sure Im not alone in wishing for some things that used to be and are no longer around. I reckon that most of us could list many examples.
I realize that once in awhile "change" is necessary, but I also think that "change" just for the sake of "change" is foolish, and perhaps got us to where we are now. (And I dont mean THIS format) "Hope and Change", Sound familiar? Just one OFs opinion..... Ken

[John Kepler]

Perhaps you are correct, John, but for some of us who are not "computer literate' change is difficult,

Quirky of me Ken, but I've always wanted to know how stuff works....can't stand it when I don't, which is probably why I became an engineer! What "computer literacy" I have....and it's limited, is based on that drive. What I can do, anyone can do....it ain't that tough!

and there are some changes which do not come easily. Im sure Im not alone in wishing for some things that used to be and are no longer around. I reckon that most of us could list many examples.

And if a pig had wings, it'd be an eagle! There are also tons of things that I'm glad are gone for good....breaker-point ignitions come immediately to mind...septic infections and polio are another! Progress equals change, and it's inevitable....the alternative is extinction!

I realize that once in awhile "change" is necessary, but I also think that "change" just for the sake of "change" is foolish, and perhaps got us to where we are now. (And I dont mean THIS format)

Once in a while? Okey Dokey, but I disagree...."change" is the rule, not the exception! The rest is an "academic" point, and NOT applicable to this situation. The change wasn't just "necessary", it was vital....the alternative (doing nothing, maintaining the "status quo") was the complete extinction of CSP! CSP had become a malware portal....it's antiquated software, created in a simpler, more benign (more naive) time was vulnerable to purveyors of malware....and they exploited those vulnerabilities! AOL had already blocked CSP, and other ISP's were about to (including mine!).

Had Mrs. Culver been able to upgrade the software back when she was trying to....this change could have happened more gradually and the "transparency" that certain folks got their panties in a wad over could have happened. As it was, it became a case of "crisis management", and some folks got what they considered "bruised toes". Tough beans! The "Scheiss-Sturm" that happened when Mrs Culver TRIED to change software formats got us to where we were last week....and it was largely the same corps that continue to carp that nixed that change in the first place ("Vox populi....vox humbug!")! It been a classic case of arranging deck-chairs on the "Titanic" ever since!

Folks over on the Enfield Forum saw the inevitable end first....and seem to have been the leaders in finding a new CSP home. We owe them a great vote of thanks (instead of accusing them of venal conspiracy!). Yes, it has required "change"; and even though you may object to said "change"....failure to do so has even greater consequences.....remember the Dodo?

[Ken C.]

"Folks over on the Enfield Forum saw the inevitable end first....and seem to have been the leaders in finding a new CSP home. We owe them a great vote of thanks (instead of accusing them of venal conspiracy!). Yes, it has required "change"; and even though you may object to said "change"....failure to do so has even greater consequences.....remember the Dodo?"[/SIZE][/QUOTE]

I think I did say I wasnt talking about this forum, perhaps you missed it?
Yes, I remember breaker point ignition, and I remember it could be fixed without having to spend a fortune or involving technicians with scanalyzers.
I am not against change per se, but I am not rushing blindly out to change what I have become accustomed to simply because Mr. Jones next door has something with more bells and whistles on it. I also see the forces of change working to revise the constitution, and it is my wish that they do not succeed. Change does not in every instance mean progress. If that makes me a Dodo, so be it.

[John Kepler]

Yes, I remember breaker point ignition, and I remember it could be fixed without having to spend a fortune or involving technicians with scanalyzers.

Of course.....it also required CONSTANT "fixing" and never ran as well as an electronic ignition that rarely if ever fails! FWIW, all of my restored "classics" that I drive have "Petronix" electronic replacement ignitions....the 66 Buick 425 Wildcat has an MSD with a custom-programed advance curve (that big old Nailhead just LOVES it!).....they just run better, longer, with NO futzing! Besides Ken....if you buy the software and a suitable cable, a laptop will scan your car and tell you EXACTLY what's wrong with it...then a well-trained monkey can fix it!

I told you Ken....I just can't stand not knowing how stuff works! Nobody works on my cars but me....and I don't "spend a fortune"! Knowledge is power!

I also see the forces of change working to revise the constitution, and it is my wish that they do not succeed.

HARDLY the same thing.....not even close. This is a disingenuous statement and you know it!

Change does not in every instance mean progress. If that makes me a Dodo, so be it.

Your call! Your choice! And I'll keep my opinion of your position to myself ("E pur si muove!").

[Ken C.]

Of course.....it also required CONSTANT "fixing" and never ran as well as an electronic ignition that rarely if ever fails! FWIW, all of my restored "classics" that I drive have "Petronix" electronic replacement ignitions....the 66 Buick 425 Wildcat has an MSD with a custom-programed advance curve (that big old Nailhead just LOVES it!).....they just run better, longer, with NO futzing! Besides Ken....if you buy the software and a suitable cable, a laptop will scan your car and tell you EXACTLY what's wrong with it...then a well-trained monkey can fix it!

I told you Ken....I just can't stand not knowing how stuff works! Nobody works on my cars but me....and I don't "spend a fortune"! Knowledge is power!




HARDLY the same thing.....not even close. This is a disingenuous statement and you know it!



Your call! Your choice! And I'll keep my opinion of your position to myself ("E pur si muove!").

Well, John, it must be nice to know everything.
Engineers, of course, never make any mistakes.
As far as hooking a computer up to a car, forget it. Im lucky I managed to hook it up to 110VAC.
I suppose you must marvel at those of us who managed to reach old age without knowing our butt from 1st base.
I still maintain that change simply for the sake of change is nothing but an exercise in stupidity, or at best,an effort to separate the gullible from their money.
I also believe that there are a great many things that should not be changed, others that cannot be changed,and there is no need for anyone to try.

[John Kepler]

.I suppose you must marvel at those of us who managed to reach old age without knowing our butt from 1st base.

Naw....just used to dealing with my Dad! He built his first computer when he was in his 70's and can do anything with one that I can. He's 86 now, can't see worth spit and is kinda frail....but he's re-formating a hard-drive as we speak! "Old Age" and "ossified" aren't necessarily synonyms.

Oh...and just to get you even further PO'ed....Pop's an engineer too....so was Grandpa....so are two of my 4 sons!