Just saw this on the German eGun site; but what are they for?
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Just saw this on the German eGun site; but what are they for?
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They look like .455 revolver cartridges that have been put into a .303 box for safe keeping.
Here is an excerpt from Kynoch's 1901-02 price list: (Also see Miniature-calibre adapters and conversions for Enfield rifles )
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Would sure like that for my collection.
Me too! The adapter would be a added bonus!
Nifty "snail" bullet trap there.
Love the price of the cartridges: 50 shillings (4.5 real pounds, Sterling) per THOUSAND.
Then again, in those days, that was probably close to a week's wages for the basic punter.
It can't exactly be rocket surgery to whack a piece of 4140 in the old lather and turn up something similar to use .32 S&W / .32 Colt, etc. if one were so inclined. The more adventurous (and well-heeled) could try 7.62 Nagant.
Did these "special" cartridges have a slightly large diameter rim so that the .303 extractor would engage the case properly and actually "extract", leaving the adapter in place?
The thing about the good-old rimmed .303 is that you can use, and re-use, the full-sized case for "gallery" loads as long as you take care and use a "bulk" powder that takes up a LOT of space for weight. If you are running a Mk1 Metford, you could even use REAL Black Powder or Pyrodex for some extra "authenticity". A "heeled" bullet as found in some of the "Rook" cartridges and having a max diameter of about .317 may be useful as well.
Dust off the pith helmet, ammunition boots and red tunic and have at it, as they say in the classics.
here is a marbles one i picked up still sealed in package
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these have been around for some time, 32 ACP will work toohttps://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../29zwqyg-1.jpg
could bw yours for a bid over 10€! http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5941162 Only one German bidder!
So, these cartridges measure out to what? .32 cal at the case neck?
Anything with a .312-.314 bullet will do Jim, .32S&W, .32 ACP etc.... Good to see you back.
The ctg is basically a 32 S&W with a wider rim.
Makes sense, at first glance and without any scale it does look like maybe a .455 or a .38 S&W...but the rim does appear wide.Quote:
Originally Posted by green
Dimensions for the Mullineux Adaptor round are;
OAL; 1.112
Rim Dia; .448
Rim thickness; .036
Bullet Dia; .312
There is another almost identical called the 303 Simplex Adaptor.
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Originally Posted by Bruce_in_Oz
Gallery loads is what I started to do once I got fed up of knocking out the empty case of the adapter, I,ve tried a few here and there, 14 grns of Unique behind any combination of FMJ bullet works a treat, must admit any round that uses the the .30 (.308) bullet is an added bonus, use a .30 RN FMJ 110grn bullet.
For .303 I,ve used the lighter bullets that are used for the 7.62 x 39 was given thousands a few years ago, still using them but I've not noticed any major difference between these and 180grn.
Sorry for sounding incompetent, but what are gallery loads exactly?
From my knowledge which could be wrong is gallery loads are low powered ammo used inside at short ranges with full size firearms. If wrong some one will correct me.
That sounds super fun. I guarantee it wouldn't wash with the wife though
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Originally Posted by newcastle
Exactly right,Quote:
Originally Posted by mmppres
Think of the old term "Shooting Gallery" an indoor miniature range with subsequently low power/velocity guns, the gallery load concept has been pretty much replaced with airguns in widespread use, however it seems even airgunning is on the backslide for popularity.
As a kid I used to fire thousands of BB's and pellets each year, indoor, outdoor, plinking, pest control, and formal target competition, I don't see that happening with the current generation of youth.
Honestly I can contribute a lot of my adult professional marksmanship to being allow to "free range" with an airgun since age 8, during those formative years early practice develops the skills so well.
Yep. We'd go up in the woods with air rifles and stay out all day. Walking through the houses to get there with them slung over our backs. Today people would freak out at kids with rifles
Elmer Keith also used to practice inside with his handgun as a youngster using squib loads with just enough power to punch flat level with the floor boards Gallery as the name implies they were for indoor use with just enough power to have reasonable accuracy without punching holes through walls mind you I gather they used bullet traps.....:eek:
As the others have stated just a term for downloaded ammo ( using pistol powder) , good to 100yds, never tried 200yds but can't see a problem, with lead bullets you can bring the load down but I just stick to FMJ, below was shot using my standard load for 7.62mm/.308Quote:
Originally Posted by newcastle
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To quote myself here, and expand, another reason why Gallery Loads have likely fallen out of common use is the proliferation of auto loading firearms, in the heyday of Gallery loads most firearms were either single shot, repeating or revolving, these are unaffected by a light powder charge and recoil impluse. With automatics there is usually not enough energy to cycle the action, and most owners of more modern guns would not want to manually cycle the action every shot. Even .22 LR and other subcalibre conversion kits are not a common as a fellow would think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentryduty
Most people simply shoot fullbore all the time or buy a dedicated .22 LR pistol for training, I believe this is reflective of the relative prosperity of modern society and the lower cost of good firearms compared to 120 years ago.
I have also thought about gallery and squib loads they must hover right on or just below that transonic stage of unstability before as they say the pill goes to sleep again, I mean if a pistol has a 1-20 twist then shooting loads slowed right down do they stabilize, or if we have a fast twist say 1-8 will the gyroscopic factor cause issues.
I say this as I am going to try trail boss in my 6.5/284 to run a barrel in as a chap I shot with in NZ used it in his wifes 7mm Rem mag to fire form cases just filled to the bottom of the neck and popped the progie in it was really fun to shoot and accurate another shooter at out club did the same with a .308 and it grouped very well at a 100.
That is an odd looking duck!
Well, did you ever see the 6.5X55 gallery round for our Carl Gustav? Almost the same. Just a little brass cup reversed in the case mouth.
Never seen it, just the subcals tracer and full bore 84mmQuote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
Just a small copper or brass hollow cup reversed in the case mouth. For indoor ranges. It probably weighed 20 grains...and had the ballistics in the wind of a mosquito...