the article https://www.milsurps.com/content.php...-Peter-Laidler) states that the wire was done with the butt removed, but after the wire is done, the fore-end is permanently fixed hence the fore-end couldn't be removed to refit the butt.
if removing the butt off a no1 mk3 with the fore-end on will damage the fore-end, how can you replace the butt without causing the same damage?
thanks.
henry.
Cut the square off the end of the bolt so it can be screwed in without damage to the forend. Needs a spring washer put on the bolt.
Use a No4 stock bolt, Leave the tie plate out - but as I seem to recall, our later rifles didn't have tie plates. Please feel free to correct me.
I think this point came up recently in another thread. The Indians produced modified forends for the SMLE later on in which the stock bolt keeper plate was dispensed with & a simple tie plate as per the No4 Mk1 forend was used. This also meant that the simplified (no squared off bit on the front end) No4 stock bolt could be employed. As mentioned above though, a Thackray type spring washer was required to tension it all.
My "de-sporter" 1918 No1 Mk 3 project rifle employs one of these exact stock sets and bolts, I was a bit concerned that I might have damaged something during my assembly when the square stock bolt discussion came up as I could not remember observing anything of the sort. I disassembled the rifle and happily discovered I had one of the later Indian sets as you describe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger Payne
The Indians did away with the keeper plate before the introduction of the tie plate & simply put a spring washer on the stockbolt, externally the forend looked the same as any British or Australian made rifle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger Payne
The forend on my 1927 Ishapore, it is numbered to the rifle but cant guarantee the forend dates to 1927 as it could have been replaced
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...REforend-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...MkIIIone-1.jpg
thanks gentlemen. i figured there had to be some sort of modification but wasn't sure what.
was the flat stock bolt washer simply replaced with a no4 thackeray washer? (i had never heard the name before now, though i had seen them)
i love this place, not only do you get the answer but a heap more useful information at the same time.
Definately NO! The flat stock bolt washer must ALWAYS be used. This is what prevents the bolt or thackray washer ( also called a double coil spring washer) from churning up the wood on which it seats inside the butt
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the indians went from this to the rear tie plate. so did the ishapore factory continue to have draws problems with splits and such? did this application not work at all?
No, they didn't go FROM that (pic in thread 9) to the squared tie plate. They went from the squared tie plate TO the No4 type shown in fin 9. I would think that they decided, in their wisdom, that the tie plate idea used on the No4 rifle fore-ends PLUS the standard No4 rifle stock bolt (without the squared-off thread) was a better idea than the original tie plate that locked the stock bolt. The additional bonus was that it made the stock bolts and No4 type tie plates standard across the range. Just my view of course.
India went from the Stock-bolt keeper plate to this & then the No4 type tie plate, so yes to your questionQuote:
Originally Posted by CowboyBillWatts
Yep, 5th Batt is right. I didn't notice the brass tie rod. Stock bolt keeper plate, brass threaded tie rod then No4 across the rear plate. I'm suprised nobody hasn't repaired a broken/cracked rear end using a No4 tie nut bolt and nut method.
But then it would be either an Ishy (Mmmm) or a Bubba repair. But then if it keeps the rifle in action why not. :thup::bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
I have some LE 1s with a cross bolt no plate, without checking they maybe private sale not Military. There is one range LE1* range rifle with the cross bolt