Looking for a No4 Mk1 T

I've been looking to purchase a No4 Mk1 T since posting the thread about my dad's reunion with one. I thought I might have found one a while back, but the knowledge of the guys on the forum showed it was not an original. It was a Savage in the 17C series. I have now briefly seen a Savage in the 0C series, 0C46xx, but don't want to ask the owner for photos, unless there's a strong possibility it's original. I know I will be asked to post photos at some stage, but if the response is, there were no T's in this number range, there's not much point in taking it further. Thanks in anticipation.

Ian, Savage 4T's do exist in the 0C4XXX range. However, & as you surmised, we'll need more than the serial number to determine whether or not it is legit. Can you get those photo's?

ATB.

If you are looking for a nice 4t in the US, Scotty has one for sale at pre98.com.

That looks a rather nice T Snipershot1944

Hi Roger, thanks for the response, I fully expected the request for photos. From your comments, it does seem the T could be authentic which means I can go ahead and request or take some photos myself if the owner is happy for me to do so. He did say when I saw it that he had carried out research and was satisfied it was authentic.
Snipershot1944 and Cinders, the T you referred to is in the US and I'm in the UK. I suspect it would be very difficult to get it from the States to the UK. Many thanks to all of you, will post the photos as soon as I can.

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Originally Posted by IanS

I've been looking to purchase a No4 Mk1 T since posting the thread about my dad's reunion with one. I thought I might have found one a while back, but the knowledge of the guys on the forum showed it was not an original. It was a Savage in the 17C series. I have now briefly seen a Savage in the 0C series, 0C46xx, but don't want to ask the owner for photos, unless there's a strong possibility it's original. I know I will be asked to post photos at some stage, but if the response is, there were no T's in this number range, there's not much point in taking it further. Thanks in anticipation.

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There are also known Savage snipers in the 0Cx (0C1 is a famous example) thru 0Cxxx, 4Cxxxx, 7Cxxxx, 13Cxxxx, 14Cxxxx, 15Cxxxx so I don't think 17C would be improbable.

I might part wih either of my two Indian reworked No. 4 T rifles if those are of interest to you. And they are located in Europe. If you want to stay in the UK with your search, you might give this dealer a try who currently does list original No. 4 T snipers for sale: Full Bore, Service and Sniper Rifles for Sale - Devizes Gunsmith

The export process to the UK from the USA is not too bad but does require some effort and costs some money. You should contact spikedd who's a frequent visitor here. He has a very nice all matched No.4T for sale. There's a thread full of photos here and comments too if someone knows how to resurrect it. Give him a PM and see.

I have imported rifles from the US and Canada before and found it to be a complete doddle...................

Thought I'd share my research:

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One has to be very, very careful with Stevens-Savage "snipers". Most Stevens-Savage No, 4 rifles with some sniper features seem to be of the (T. LESS TELESCOPE) variety. There are thought to have been about 3,000 partly converted by Holland and Holland, and these have the sniper cheek rest, S51 Holland and Holland mark and scope pads installed etc. They never had scopes assigned, so do not have the "T" Mark, scope SN or scope and bracket. The serial numbers for (T) and for (T. LESS TELESCOPE) are intermingled. Sadly it is easier to fake one of these as much of the work is authentic.

Members here on this forum are happy to help verify No. 4 (T) but many photos are advisable especially for any markings or sniper features. Buyer beware. Do your homework!

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One has to be very, very careful with Stevens-Savage "snipers". Most Stevens-Savage No, 4 rifles with some sniper features seem to be of the (T. LESS TELESCOPE) variety. There are thought to have been about 3,000 partly converted by Holland and Holland, and these have the sniper cheek rest, S51 Holland and Holland mark and scope pads installed etc. They never had scopes assigned, so do not have the "T" Mark, scope SN or scope and bracket. The serial numbers for (T) and for (T. LESS TELESCOPE) are intermingled. Sadly it is easier to fake one of these as much of the work is authentic.

Members here on this forum are happy to help verify No. 4 (T) but many photos are advisable especially for any markings or sniper features. Buyer beware. Do your homework!

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I'm going to have to argue regarding your interpretation of a "sniper rifle" and a rifle with "sniper features".

Your statement is that a rifle which has never been fitted with a scope is inferior to a rifle which has lost it's scope in it's 70+ years of travels. This interpretation is completely un-true.

Whether on not a scope has been fitted makes NO difference to the rifle, as ALL of the fitting is on the rings. Therefore a "less scope" rifle is completely the same as a rifle which has lost it's scope, in fact I have seen transit cases with "Less Telescope" barred out (well painted over in this case), and others which have it, but the number matching rifle inside has a telescope number stamped on the butt stock.

These rifles (No4T) are NOT an SVT40 with a simple notch FILED in the receiver to lock a lock pin in a scope mount. Somehow those are "sniping rifles", while a No4 rifle which was stripped to components, milled, line bored, had scope mounting brackets attached and totally rebuilt (at Holland and Holland no less) is not...

Also I have to point out again that the "classical" markings which H&H used on No4(T) rifles evolved over the production period, and the "classical" markings really are only found on 1944 & 1945 & 1946 converted rifles.

And also when Army Council Instructions were issued which state that some rifles were issued without the "T" marking on the receiver and that they should be so marked when found... I don't think the "T" marking is an infallible indicator...

Thanks to all for the helpful information. I'm currently waiting to hear from the owner so that I can take appropriate photos. Once I have these I'll post them, just hope I don't miss anything. Ian

The highest prefix I've ever seen on a Savage rifle is 15C - never seen a 17C but it's not so far away, so is feasible. And certainly both Savage Mk1 & Mk1* No 4 (T) rifles were scoped up. There were about 6 in the batch I bought in the 1990's; both Mk1 & 1* rifles. There were five Mk1*'s IIRC & ALL bore scope serial numbers on the wrist of the butt, & all of those were lower range serial numbers consistent with Mk1 scopes. Additionally, the markings had clearly been there a long time & were not recent additions.

I agree that many of the Savage rifles (particularly 1* T's), seen on the surplus market are the 'less scope' variety, & this probably reflects their being sold off years ago into same US surplus market (being less 'useful' to the military than a complete scoped up equipment) - where they still regularly reappear for sale.

Hi Roger, thanks for the information. I'm just waiting to firm up a date to take the necessary photos, might be this Sunday (24th Jly).

I don't get a feeling for what the original poster is setting as his goal. Just wants a shooter or does he want to invest in a safe queen display rifle. In my small collection I have a 12C and 13C that are a delight to shoot and and preform as well or better than some others. Both are 1942 dated and properly zeroed are accurate well into 600 yards my longest local range. One other small point that may be important is the price of these scope-less rifles has skyrocketed . I watched a 14C go past $2600 at auction this week. That they shoot so well is important to me but then I am not an expert on anything.

Good luck

Hi MJ1, thanks for the feedback. I would prefer to have a totally original T if that's possible and shoot it. If it's a good investment too, even better. The one that I'm going to post photos of, I've seen, but I've only had a cursory look. I thought the condition was very good and following Roger's comments, I've taken the next step.
I looked on the Devizes website as suggested and was amazed at some of the asking prices, especially the Longbranch Mk1*. A good investment?
Ian.

Shop wisely and listen to the advice from the gentlemen here.

Again good luck.

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Sure will. Nice photograph by the way.
Ian.

Well, I've taken some photos and I have to say the conditions weren't perfect, I hope they are good enough. The wood on this rifle is the best I've seen on a N04 Mk1. There are no stamps on the wood except for one on the lower fore end and it seems to have been interfered with. There is also what appears to be a very faint "O" marking on the underside of the stock/butt forward of the cheek piece. I wasn't able to establish the number of grooves in the barrel. I think I know what the feedback's going to be, not good. I'm sure some of the observations will be interesting.

I'm not necessarily saying that it isn't a genuine T that has been mucked about with & then put back together again - it might be. However, the TR on the butt socket is not what i would have expected to find, & it bears serifs anyway, which is not 'right' even for a BSA Shirley rifle - though perhaps a jealous armourer might have thought it appropriate to add them after the event, perhaps.

The pads are original, but they have clearly been off, & in my opinion are probably off another rifle, having been subsequently fitted to this rifle. Note the file marks across the rear pad screws where they have been flatted off (photo 2). Note in photo 4 also that there is a 'ding' about a third of the way across the top surface of the rear pad, which is not evident at all on the adjacent receiver side wall.

The wood has been sanded & the rifle serial stamped into the forend looks to be stamped upside down compared to others that I have seen (which are 'the right way up' with the rifle held muzzle end to the left).

The bolt handle looks to have been filed at some point.

Safety is a LB (though only a trivial matter).

Style of font of the rifle number on bracket looks different to others I have seen......?somewhat more recent?

Bracket & scope look nice though, otherwise.

There are no doubt various other points that could be made.....but these are a few to start off with.

ATB.

I'm going to stick my neck out and say it's a legit Savage as converted by H&H early on before the additional markings were standardized. It seems to have the correct examiner's marks but lacks the H&H wartime code S-51 stamp on the underside of the butt which is certainly correct for an early conversion as the well known standardized markings didn't start until some time in 1943 at H&H. Some might say it was converted at Enfield but I doubt that's the case. I reckon I could be wrong. The bracket matches so it should be good to go. I wonder if the butt is a replacement although it looks like Savage birch. Is there a scope number or two on the top of the wrist. Can't really tell from the pics. It's had Suncorite 259 applied in workshops at some point post 1944 when the paint became standard SOP. The wood has been scraped and sanded which is typical too and would account for the faint markings on the underside of the forend. Does the serial number on the wood match? There again: I can't tell from the photo. All in all; it sure looks like an honest, worked on and used No.4T to me. Does it sport it's original Savage six groove barrel of a five groove British replacement? Get a bore light and have another look-see.

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Roger, I thought maybe the "TR" was added later as it's sometimes the case. You make great points though.

Hi Brian,
Agreed it may well be an original 4T but I have reservations about the fitting of the pads. They just don't look like they were fitted at Base Workshops to me. Look at the screws in photo's 2 & 4 & the fitting of the rear pad. Just my .02c.

Yeah, I agree that someone other than an Armourer has had his hands on it. Like you, I believe it probably started out as an original "T"!

It would be nice if it retained the original 6 groove barrel after FTR... they certainly bodged the FTR stamping, much like on one of my BSA (T) rifles.

Nice that it appears to have retained it's original fore-end.

I would like to pull off the butt stock to see what's under the shelf.

I would also like to see more of the rear pad. Front, back, top and sides...

I think that it's a real No4MkI(T) which has seen enough service to be FTR'd at least once...explaining the mis-matched front handguard, brasss butt plate and bands... and possible the "extra markings".


I would add that they're nice photos, but not the ones that I (and likely Brian or Roger) want to see.

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Hi Brian,
Agreed it may well be an original 4T but I have reservations about the fitting of the pads. They just don't look like they were fitted at Base Workshops to me. Look at the screws in photo's 2 & 4 & the fitting of the rear pad. Just my .02c.

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That ding in the top of the rear pad is where someone used a punch to remove it...possibly from another rifle I would say due to what appears to be a gap at the top of the rail...

That flat on the front hand-guard was filed to clear a tube front sight...I wonder if the rear pad was removed to clear a parker hale type receiver sight.

Many thanks for the feedback. I'm very impressed by the knowledge.
Sorry about the photos, it was difficult with time running out due to the weather. I thought I had taken a close up of the rear pad. By the time I had finished, I had more or less made my mind up to walk away from it, but thought I would post the photos anyway.

Quite possibly, or the rifle may be from the 'batch' some of which I bought back in the 1990's. Although I bought a lot, even more than I bought were disposed of elsewhere, so I heard. They were all partially stripped & had various permutations of pads on them: both present, front present but rear absent, rear present but front absent, & both absent. The pads had also mainly been removed (or attempts had been made to remove them) crudely, often resulting in damage, as here. I note also, the Birmingham Proof House marking.

Ian, she's real, but she ain't a virgin.

Hi Roger, I like your summing up statement.
The owner is in the trade, he said he purchased it off a friend who had owned it for at least 40 years. Would it have been worthwhile back then to "put it together" so to speak? I suppose it's possible the work was done during the course of the 40 years.
What did the number struck out on the scope bracket relate too?
The question is, how much is it worth compared to an original with its matched scope? At this stage, I still think I should walk away.
Ian.

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What did the number struck out on the scope bracket relate too?

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Its the original Rifle the bracket was fitted to, the font is all wrong for the current number, its looks like the type of font that would be seen on an 1888 or 1907 bayonet.

Ian, the original rifle serial number of AV9166 (or is it 9168?), relates to a BSA Shirley rifle made late in 1943. This means that the bracket & scope themselves probably haven't always been together, as the bracket is marked to a 1943 rifle & the scope is a Mk3 which did not enter production until October 1944. (That's not 100% certain as there is just a possibility that the matching scope & bracket were switched to a 1943 rifle before the rifle numbers started to be marked on the brackets just after WW2). But, considering the equipment as a whole, I suspect the scope & bracket were probably married together at some point in the past, & both were then fitted to 'your' rifle.

Thanks Roger. Regardless of the history surrounding this rifle, it does look clean and tidy and feels nice to handle. I handled and shot a few rounds with an Enfield in Canada this year and also a T, I can't say that they felt as nice as this one, must have been the wood that was nice to the touch. I still would like an original with matching scope though. Ian.

PS Forgot to mention that enfield303t's T is a nice rifle, it was his that I had the good fortune to shoot.

I just happened to be browsing through the sticky thread on No4 Mk1 trials rifles and I noticed that on page 1 there's a couple of pics of Trials rifle socket sides that have been through an F.T.R and they both have what appears to be the identical TR stamps to our current rifle of interest.

Thanks BE. Maybe a particular judicious armourer? Similarly, I have seen a small number of BSA 1943 rifles that bear a smaller than standard body side wall 'T', which were presumably added after the event to rifles not otherwise marked, & probably by the same person. They are 'non-standard', but all the same as each other.

Added after ----- Actually, it's just dawned on me that there is another explanation for the 'small T' I just mentioned - it could have been used for a short period of time at H&H when they first started marking the receiver side walls, but before they changed to the 'standard T'. (I've only ever seen it on 1943 rifles). Sorry, just my fractured thought processes, & no intention of distracting the thread!

Roger, thanks so much for your guidance and to Peter and to all the other members who responded so positively. The knowledge on this forum is quite exceptional.
Although I accept that the rifle was an original T, it was somewhat "brutalised", I would prefer to have one that is as original as possible and therefore, I won't purchase it. I don't doubt that the price will go up according to the degree of originality.

I need to establish the best method of importing from the States or Canada to avoid wasting time in future. I would very much appreciate some direction from members who have that experience. I suspect I might have to use an
Arms Importer. Again, many thanks, Ian.

Ian, I've imported rifles from the States with no problems, only trouble is the VAT and Duty, plus handling fees, plus the exporters fees etc and postage. I'd be more than happy to help if you see something, but them added costs could go towards something in the UK.......

Have a look on egun, I've just imported an L42 from Europe (big thanks to Promo) and it was delivered straight to the door. Nothing to pay, if it had of been from the USA then I would be looking at around £2000 plus the cost of the rifle.

bigduke6, thanks for the information, I made a call to an importer today and you're not far off the mark. I think I will follow your suggestion and stick to the UK and Europe, unless something comes up that I can't refuse. Will have a look on egun in the meantime. Ian.

Hi again, I've just seen an advert for the rifle, which was the subject of an enquiry for help I made some time ago. The link is below,

Lee Enfield no4 T Bolt Action .303 Rifles- GunStar

I would be interested in your comments, advertised price £10,000.

IanS

It's a genuine Savage Mk1 4T with an added Mk3 scope in a bracket originally off a 43 BSA. There doesn't appear to be a scope number on the butt, but even from the photo's you can see the butt has been heavily sanded there at some point. I don't know who the seller's resident expert was, but some of the description is inaccurate & fanciful. I sold its 'sister' rifle, 0C43XX about five or six years ago for about a third of the price that that one is being advertised for.

Hi Roger,

I was a bit surprised at the write-up, bearing in mind both you and others on the forum gave an accurate and critical analysis some time ago. I'm sure there will be more comments to come. Thanks for your help in the past by the way.

IanS

Well that is certainly a turn up for the books I wonder who the expert was that ratified it and where Harry's stamp was if it was not on the flat. No scope number on the upper wrist and at 10,000 GBP think I will pass.......

As long as we are on this subject of matched/mismatched rifles I need opinions. I have 4 maybe 5 T's. Do to life's circumstances I have been out of the collecting business for several years and have not had these out of the safe in all that time. I'm on the short side of 80 and it's probably time to move these on rather than wait for the clean up crew to muck things up. The rifles are all in excellent condition and all matching. A couple came to me with original unmarked scope brackets that may or may not be matching. I have a Mk3 scope for each of these rifles but none are matching. Also several original brackets. The question is, should I try and sell these rifles with a bracket and scope or should I part them out and sell as individual pieces ? I also have a very nice trials T with a Mk1 scope. Bracket came with the rifle , scope was acquired separately. Also have two transit cases and a spotting scope with a NZ marked tripod. Expert opinions please from those of you that are still in the game and know what the current market looks like.

Hi Charlie,

pity you're so far away, I'd love to have a look at your T's, too expensive to have shipped to UK unfortunately.

Ian.

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As long as we are on this subject of matched/mismatched rifles I need opinions. I have 4 maybe 5 T's. Do to life's circumstances I have been out of the collecting business for several years and have not had these out of the safe in all that time. I'm on the short side of 80 and it's probably time to move these on rather than wait for the clean up crew to muck things up. The rifles are all in excellent condition and all matching. A couple came to me with original unmarked scope brackets that may or may not be matching. I have a Mk3 scope for each of these rifles but none are matching. Also several original brackets. The question is, should I try and sell these rifles with a bracket and scope or should I part them out and sell as individual pieces ? I also have a very nice trials T with a Mk1 scope. Bracket came with the rifle , scope was acquired separately. Also have two transit cases and a spotting scope with a NZ marked tripod. Expert opinions please from those of you that are still in the game and know what the current market looks like.

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Crikey........!!

I would sell with bracket and scope, just stating what you above in terms of no matching scope/bracket.

I have no idea what prices are going for such in the USA at the moment, but I'm sure others will be along to advise.

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Hi Charlie,

pity you're so far away, I'd love to have a look at your T's, too expensive to have shipped to UK unfortunately.

Ian.

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I didn't know you were still looking Ian.

Richard Stork at Devizes Gunsmith still has one 4T available on his listings below.

http://www.thedevizesgunsmith.co.uk/...ce-and-sniper/


And Simon at Highwood has this nice unfinished 4T 'without telescope' listed.

http://www.highwoodclassicarms.co.uk...0Sale/0178.htm

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Phew that L42 would I love that one but have not got the 11,000 GBP I reckon that L96 would have gone for double that.........do not know about that remaining T as the bracket though a good one by Roger Payne is not the real deal also the scope is a forced match 2.5K may be a better price.

Just thought I'd ask the question, with 14 typos in the advert, how accurate is the information?

Richard at Devizes has just updated his listing this evening and added another 4T to his website, dated '43 with Mk2 scope, and chest etc. Listing #2118 on his website.

He has also listed a few very interesting LE trials rifles as well.

Hi GeeRam, thanks for the info, I've emailed Richard to register my interest. Hopefully I will have a response tomorrow (Friday)

Thanks,
Ian.

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Hi GeeRam, thanks for the info, I've emailed Richard to register my interest. Hopefully I will have a response tomorrow (Friday)

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Don't rely just on email contact with Richard, always try a call as well. Sam, his wife often handles the emailing stuff, as Richard spends his time in the workshop, so always best to try and call and not rely on just email contact.....especially as sometimes these things don't always hang around too long!
I went to see Richard to view one 4T he had in stock and ended up coming away with one that had come in the day before and hadn't even gone up on the website!

Richard e-mailed me and it seems I'm 1st on the list, thanks to you. He said it was listed at 9.00pm! yesterday. I said I would phone him Tuesday as he was only in early this morning.
It would be nice to have some opinions on this rifle. I would far prefer a fully matching kit but then how long would I have to wait, I'm not a youngster anymore,although I think I am.
Ian.

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Richard e-mailed me and it seems I'm 1st on the list, thanks to you. He said it was listed at 9.00pm! yesterday. I said I would phone him Tuesday as he was only in early this morning.
It would be nice to have some opinions on this rifle. I would far prefer a fully matching kit but then how long would I have to wait, I'm not a youngster anymore,although I think I am.
Ian.

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Well, yes, that's the issue, waiting for the 'perfect' 4T to turn could be next week or another couple of years, or never......

Looks a nice enough rifle from photos', and yes, not all matching, but, while they are about, how long before one of those turns up?
I suppose it depends on whether you want a collectors item, or you want to actually shoot it as well?
With a refurbished scope, and a still tightish original barrel, hopefully that one will be a nice shooter if that's your intention?

Mine is almost all matching......everything matching except the barrel, so still not perfect, but, it too had a refurbished scope, and I wanted to shoot it, so the mint barrel and mint optics was a big factor in me biting the bullet on mine, despite it not being complete matching #'s.
Like you say, times marching on and we are all only temporary custodians for these fabulous rifles.

You couldn't have said it better.

It is my intention to shoot it, I suppose I would even if it was a collecters item. To me it looks a tidy rifle and being an original barrel with a tightish bore,
it makes me think it wasn't "overused". My dad reckoned he had put a lot of rounds through his T during the war, I hate to think how many of the
enemy he dispatched.

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I'm going to have to argue regarding your interpretation of a "sniper rifle" and a rifle with "sniper features".

Your statement is that a rifle which has never been fitted with a scope is inferior to a rifle which has lost it's scope in it's 70+ years of travels. This interpretation is completely un-true.

Whether on not a scope has been fitted makes NO difference to the rifle, as ALL of the fitting is on the rings. Therefore a "less scope" rifle is completely the same as a rifle which has lost it's scope, in fact I have seen transit cases with "Less Telescope" barred out (well painted over in this case), and others which have it, but the number matching rifle inside has a telescope number stamped on the butt stock.

These rifles (No4T) are NOT an SVT40 with a simple notch FILED in the receiver to lock a lock pin in a scope mount. Somehow those are "sniping rifles", while a No4 rifle which was stripped to components, milled, line bored, had scope mounting brackets attached and totally rebuilt (at Holland and Holland no less) is not...

Also I have to point out again that the "classical" markings which H&H used on No4(T) rifles evolved over the production period, and the "classical" markings really are only found on 1944 & 1945 & 1946 converted rifles.

And also when Army Council Instructions were issued which state that some rifles were issued without the "T" marking on the receiver and that they should be so marked when found... I don't think the "T" marking is an infallible indicator...

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Do you have a copy of the "Army council instructions" regarding T's you could post...I'd be very interested to see them as others would I'm sure.

The Devises Gunsmith has a T for sale at £4250.

Hi Rob, thanks for the info, I've seen that one and may have a look at it when I visit Devizes next week to check the other one out. I see Arundel Militaria have a T (not deac) but it doesn't have a comprehensive description.

Well, I bit the bullet and now have a T.

:clap::clap: Welcome to the Club.

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Well, I bit the bullet and now have a T.

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Now to get a HT high and low mount, No3 T, L42 The chase has just started. :D:rofl:

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Well, I bit the bullet and now have a T.

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Courtesy of Mr Stork I presume?

As said already, welcome to the 4T club :beerchug:

There is an L42 on Simon P's website, Highwood Classic arms, very reasonable in my opinion......

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There is an L42 on Simon P's website, Highwood Classic arms, very reasonable in my opinion......

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It is very reasonable, am surprised its not been sold already.

It would make a nice stablemate for my L***** numbered 4T as well.............;)

If only..........

Its strange, like most at my age or older, we were always told to save up etc for something and the only thing you ever borrowed money for was a house...... must admit my teenage years as an Apprentice and not having a pot to **** in, the advice served me well, even after going away to Sea I had a decent wage but held on to my cash unless I was in a pub ( quite frequent in my early years at sea) but was always cautious with Money and still am but only in the last 10 years or so I've made the best of Credit card deals were the interest is free for a period for so many months or years, as long as the minimum payment are made.

Even loans with banks etc are still very good, although that bubble will burst at some point but still cheap deals out there........ interest will go up for sure but the demand for an L42 I think will be a lot higher than interest over 3 to 5 years............

That equates to $16,000 + ?Au here I guess we would be charged VAT then postage which may work into a few grand as it is a weapon coupled with our import duties then re-licensing I would hazard a guess it would cost close to $20K/Au for myself to procure it would love to have it my safe but do not think my wife would like the rifle that much....................