Looking for a No4 Mk1 T

[GeeRam]

Richard e-mailed me and it seems I'm 1st on the list, thanks to you. He said it was listed at 9.00pm! yesterday. I said I would phone him Tuesday as he was only in early this morning.
It would be nice to have some opinions on this rifle. I would far prefer a fully matching kit but then how long would I have to wait, I'm not a youngster anymore,although I think I am.
Ian.

Well, yes, that's the issue, waiting for the 'perfect' 4T to turn could be next week or another couple of years, or never......

Looks a nice enough rifle from photos', and yes, not all matching, but, while they are about, how long before one of those turns up?
I suppose it depends on whether you want a collectors item, or you want to actually shoot it as well?
With a refurbished scope, and a still tightish original barrel, hopefully that one will be a nice shooter if that's your intention?

Mine is almost all matching......everything matching except the barrel, so still not perfect, but, it too had a refurbished scope, and I wanted to shoot it, so the mint barrel and mint optics was a big factor in me biting the bullet on mine, despite it not being complete matching #'s.
Like you say, times marching on and we are all only temporary custodians for these fabulous rifles.

[IanS]

You couldn't have said it better.

It is my intention to shoot it, I suppose I would even if it was a collecters item. To me it looks a tidy rifle and being an original barrel with a tightish bore,
it makes me think it wasn't "overused". My dad reckoned he had put a lot of rounds through his T during the war, I hate to think how many of the
enemy he dispatched.

[bros]

I'm going to have to argue regarding your interpretation of a "sniper rifle" and a rifle with "sniper features".

Your statement is that a rifle which has never been fitted with a scope is inferior to a rifle which has lost it's scope in it's 70+ years of travels. This interpretation is completely un-true.

Whether on not a scope has been fitted makes NO difference to the rifle, as ALL of the fitting is on the rings. Therefore a "less scope" rifle is completely the same as a rifle which has lost it's scope, in fact I have seen transit cases with "Less Telescope" barred out (well painted over in this case), and others which have it, but the number matching rifle inside has a telescope number stamped on the butt stock.

These rifles (No4T) are NOT an SVT40 with a simple notch FILED in the receiver to lock a lock pin in a scope mount. Somehow those are "sniping rifles", while a No4 rifle which was stripped to components, milled, line bored, had scope mounting brackets attached and totally rebuilt (at Holland and Holland no less) is not...

Also I have to point out again that the "classical" markings which H&H used on No4(T) rifles evolved over the production period, and the "classical" markings really are only found on 1944 & 1945 & 1946 converted rifles.

And also when Army Council Instructions were issued which state that some rifles were issued without the "T" marking on the receiver and that they should be so marked when found... I don't think the "T" marking is an infallible indicator...

Do you have a copy of the "Army council instructions" regarding T's you could post...I'd be very interested to see them as others would I'm sure.

[RobD]

The Devises Gunsmith has a T for sale at £4250.

[IanS]

Hi Rob, thanks for the info, I've seen that one and may have a look at it when I visit Devizes next week to check the other one out. I see Arundel Militaria have a T (not deac) but it doesn't have a comprehensive description.

[IanS]

Well, I bit the bullet and now have a T.

[CINDERS]

Welcome to the Club.

[Bindi2]

Well, I bit the bullet and now have a T.

Now to get a HT high and low mount, No3 T, L42 The chase has just started.

[GeeRam]

Well, I bit the bullet and now have a T.

Courtesy of Mr Stork I presume?

As said already, welcome to the 4T club

[bigduke6]

There is an L42 on Simon P's website, Highwood Classic arms, very reasonable in my opinion......