NO4 T UP FOR AUCTION

Scotarms sale on the 21st June at Newark showground have a 4T up for sale, will be interesting to see what it goes for, anyone interested?:

Lot No. 405 A SCARCE .303 Cal. No.4 MKI*T. Bolt action Sniper Rifle. Serial No.77L1784. Std. Specs. Hooded foresight. Fitted correct scope marked -Tel. Sighting No.32 MKI R.EL. 1943 266-C- with leather covers. The mount number matching the rifle. The side action marked -No.4 MKI* Long Branch 1944-.and -T-. Walnut full stock. Grade 2 plus. Brl.25.5 ins. FAA Category: S1

My hackles are already rising just having seen the rifle serial number......

Just checked out the thumb-nail photo in the on-line catalogue.

Caveat Emptor.

So it looks like it didn't sell in their March auction then............




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Scrap that - just realised it's the March sale catalogue that's still showing. No catalogue for June sale online yet it seems.

Yes it would appear all the listed stuff on this June 21st sale is unsold stuff from March.
Did we bottom out the 4T's pedigree from the number or not as the case may be??

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Originally Posted by Gil Boyd

Yes it would appear all the listed stuff on this June 21st sale is unsold stuff from March.
Did we bottom out the 4T's pedigree from the number or not as the case may be??

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It might be a real scope.

I would place the possibility that the rifle is real in the 5% range.

If it looks good enough to be real it would want someone who has examined several real (non 90L) long branch snipers to examine it before I would drop a penny for the rifle.

Thats why its probably still there, its worth £350 of anybody's money then ;)

Certainly has a real variety of "patina". Blowing up the thumbnail, as grainy as it is, the scope looks well used, the scope bracket looks mint, the serial on the bracket certainly stands out, and the front pad almost looks to be in the white.

I think the previous estimate of 5% might be a little generous. Does anyone know of a single batch LB sniper manufactured this late in the game that is not a fake?

Sadly not:yikes:

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Originally Posted by stencollector

Certainly has a real variety of "patina". Blowing up the thumbnail, as grainy as it is, the scope looks well used, the scope bracket looks mint, the serial on the bracket certainly stands out, and the front pad almost looks to be in the white.

I think the previous estimate of 5% might be a little generous. Does anyone know of a single batch LB sniper manufactured this late in the game that is not a fake?

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I wouldn't even buy it with your money Stenny....

but if you read the fine print - it appears that this listing is for the previous auction as the June 21 listing is not available yet:

"Below are lots from the last sale."

The scope probably is real.

When I dropped some rifle etc for the June auction, Mike said the previous one (March) was packed out, no catalogues left and no seats, (there never is a seat when I do wait about) it seemed the "snipers" did attract a lot of attention and the other Military rifles.

For anyone looking for a bargain then they come up on occasion......... some of the best ones are not always in the Military section, some sporterised ones are rare examples (obvious need timber and parts etc ) helps to read and re read the online catalogue. Must say I wouldn't get excited about any German snipers that go through, all the ones I've seen are about as straight as a corkscrew.

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Originally Posted by Lee Enfield

I wouldn't even buy it with your money Stenny....

but if you read the fine print - it appears that this listing is for the previous auction as the June 21 listing is not available yet:

"Below are lots from the last sale."

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Well I appreciate you not spending my money. As a Manitoban, we need that to pay the heat in the winter or we will die. That is why we travel once a year to the Calgary Alberta gun show, so we can bring home some of that abundant Alberta money.

You are right about the "last sale thing". I think I saw a listing of prices realized, and it showed that rifle as having sold for somewhere over the £900 mark, which would indeed be the value of the telescope around here. Add in any buyers fees or sales tax, and, if need be, breaking up the rifle for it's components should cover that and even leave a few bucks for the trouble. I suspect breaking up the rifle would be doing the collector fraternity a service, other than the actual receiver which will forever appear to be a sniper.

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Originally Posted by stencollector

That is why we travel once a year to the Calgary Alberta gun show, so we can bring home some of that abundant Alberta money.

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Which you do very well as I recall...because you take gun stuff to a gun show...and sell it.

Again, examples of people building bitzer rifles and then later selling them "purporting" to be rare examples of the real deal sniper rifles, whether, Brit ones or German owned by Hitler himself with SS stamped all over it and straight, one off sales never to be repeated.
The thing they forget EVERYTIME is, the knowledge base that surrounds this Milsurps area of expertise these days!!:bow:

In short, if you want a real one ask the membership