Please explain.

Stolen Valor.
As a son of a WWII veteran who also has a brother in-law that went to VN can some one explain what these mongrels are trying on.
Please guys I am not trying to start a war of words or stir up emotions of the persons that have served their country.
Myself as a civie gets angry at these people I have watched a fair few vids on these rather pathetic examples of humanity I place then lower than a piece of dog sh*t under a snakes belly in a wheel rut.:red face:
Are they trying to get public acclaim and sympathy also possibly to be a Harvey Wall Banger to the women folk!

I can really understand the vet's for wanting to get even with these types and if it is a serious federal offence then the police need to be trained up on recognizing a faker.
I also realize the police are hard pressed so maybe a better solution would be to invest in training up vets and giving them powers to have the fakers brought to justice.
What can be done to stop the proliferation of these types it seems to be in epidemic proportions.

Even though I may not be from your country to those that have served in our ADF and all other armed forces that have gone to fight oppression my eternal thanks to you for your sacrifice and that of your comrades in arms.
Cinders

It's always been a problem, except during the RVN crisis...that one was different. Men that don't have the ingredients quickly recognize the acclaim and usually admiration of the ones that quietly did that thing. They want that too...

In the U.K. there have, in the past, been one or two individuals who have been caught pretending to be service personnel by wearing army surplus clothing etc and then attempting to collect money for fake service charities. While I haven't heard of this happening recently there have been one or two cases in the news, in the past, where individuals have been, allegedly, caught with significant amounts of money on them and it has been alleged that it has been collected under false pretences.

Anyone who does something like this is, in my opinion, the lowest of the low and the individual concerned should be taken to an army base where the soldiers have just returned from active service. I'm sure that the soldiers could figure out an appropriate way of dealing with the individual between themselves.

These guys in the US always seem to fall into the category of folks with a very low sense of worth to themselves and want to make themselves feel good by putting on a uniform with tons of ribbons and metals. They never worked in the military as a cook, mechanic or clerk. They all were in Delta force, Green Berets, Navy Seals, CIA, etc but they physically appears like they could not complete a standard PT test. There are a few that used the uniform as dodge or hustle to get freebies from the public who do not know better. These guys are usually outed by a real veteran when they see something that does not look right. Once these folks are caught they should be made to do one year's public service attending the graves in a veteran's cemetery so they would probably understand the true sacrifices that the military service has.

--fjruple

Veterans in the US do now get a lot of benefits from the public. Discounts at stores, free days at baseball games, etc and they seem to be increasing. A vet isn't going to go hungry on Veterans Day that's for sure, free meals everywhere. So someone could look at that, plus all the attention that goes with it and decide they want it too. I don't know. I think it's more for the attention than for the discounts and free stuff. They have to have valid ID's for that anyway. Frankly, I get a little tired of it on both sides. I read about guys harassing people because they are wearing a uniform jacket, so what, it's always been popular to wear surplus stuff and it's always going to happen. I have and wear military stuff all the time and not all of it is even from the US. It's warm, it's comfortable and its cheap. I keep waiting for someone to harass me about what I'm wearing but not one has. I actually tend to get compliments or thanks and in increasing numbers people coming up to me and grabbing my hand wanting to talk about where we were etc. I'm usually wearing a Desert Storm night camo parka when it's cool enough. I kind of preferred it when people just left me alone I think. Women oddly enough however do seem to like that parka.

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Men that don't have the ingredients quickly recognize the acclaim and usually admiration of the ones that quietly did that thing. They want that too...

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Good choice of words.

Like those who skipped military service and then keep dressing up with military clothes and playing the tough dudes.
Weak idiots who look at the symbols without understanding that without substance underneath, the resulting character is just grotesque. Those symbols belong to and have sense for those who earned the right to wear them. Others are just pathetical comedians.
But you can find them everywhere.

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Originally Posted by Flying10uk

In the U.K. there have, in the past, been one or two individuals who have been caught pretending to be service personnel by wearing army surplus clothing etc and then attempting to collect money for fake service charities. While I haven't heard of this happening recently there have been one or two cases in the news, in the past, where individuals have been, allegedly, caught with significant amounts of money on them and it has been alleged that it has been collected under false pretences.

Anyone who does something like this is, in my opinion, the lowest of the low and the individual concerned should be taken to an army base where the soldiers have just returned from active service. I'm sure that the soldiers could figure out an appropriate way of dealing with the individual between themselves.

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A while ago a sailor was caught impersonating a Navy SEAL. His punishment was to drive the small boats for the SEALS, and do "whatever" they could think up. Sounds like karma to me..... :super:

That's a punishment!

Sadly we have had a lot in the UK, some more challenging then others, but eventually their day arrives in court!!!
When I spoke with this guy, he said he was in my Company in 2 PARA and a Military Medal holder..............wrong on both counts!! Suffice it to say I am not on his Christmas card list ;)

'Plastic para' fantasist who spent years claiming he was a hero soldier despite serving as a cook is jailed for fraud | Daily Mail Online

Jailed? You really mean it over there. Right thing, in my opinion.

He lied 10 years earlier in a Crown Court case where he was being tried for DSS Benefit fraud of £30+K.

He said he had won the MM and served in the Falklands War neither were true, they were just the tip of the iceberg, the Judge at the time felt sorry for him, alledged war hero and all.

As he couldn't be tried for the same crime twice he was arrested for perverting the course of justice in 2004 and rightly sentenced for 3 years in 2011 in a fresh 3 week trial.

anybody see the movie Furry ,best job i ever had.... 1969 was drafted in the army. went to mp school Augusta GA. They had too many in the mp school PEOPLE WHERE SLEEPING ON THE FLOOR. started weeding out students .i was one of the weeded out students, too many traffic violations as a civilian. either infantry go to Vietnam or be a cook? hard decision , Became a cook. 10 months later ended up in Vietnam, made spc 5 was about 30 miles from Saigon . (BEST JOB I EVER HAD. ) Both wife's knew nothing about how to cook let alone boil water.

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anybody see the movie Furry ,best job i ever had.... 1969 was drafted in the army. went to mp school Augusta GA. They had too many in the mp school PEOPLE WHERE SLEEPING ON THE FLOOR. started weeding out students .i was one of the weeded out students, too many traffic violations as a civilian. either infantry go to Vietnam or be a cook? hard decision , Became a cook. 10 months later ended up in Vietnam, made spc 5 was about 30 miles from Saigon . (BEST JOB I EVER HAD. ) Both wife's knew nothing about how to cook let alone boil water.

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Henry B--

A lot of folks do not realize how important and thankless your job in the military is. I was a Engineer battalion S-4 (Administration Logistics Officer) for 4 years. I only took the position because no one else wanted the job. It had to be one of the most important and challenging positions in my career. Running a 24/7 operations for mess, maintenance and logistics operations can be mind numbing to say the least and without excellent people who can act on their own initiative to get the job done. For without the beans, bullets and gas, all operations will very quickly stop and all eyes will turn to you. I believe it was Napoleon that said an Army travels on its stomach. I cannot count how many times our cooks were thanked by the troops for providing a hot Class A meal or hot soup in cold weather operation or hot water to shave with. Thank you for your service.

--fjruple

An Army marches on its stomach, a saying started by Napoleon and probably long before him.
These lads are taken for granted..............but by God, a bloody good meal is everything.

In terms of the guy who was jailed, he should have been proud of his service as a Chef absolutely NO need to inflate your Army record.
Besides that, a qualified Military Chef will always bring more money home I nearly said put(food on the table) than a guy who was an infantry soldier, who can only bring limited skills to civvy street........."in Joe Publics eyes anyway":madsmile:

Fjruple, right. We have always appreciated the logistics when going up and down mountains.
The only sad thing is that we were the first ones in millennia without mules, because some smartass decided to abolish them from the military. So, that first year, we ended up carrying everything on our backs because the mechanical mules could not follow the Alpini up in the mountains.
Still, if we had food, water and ammo, it was thanks the logistics guys.

Ovidio,
Absolutely on the button, sadly the personal ammo made way to the mortar bombs, linked ammunition and all the heavy things in life for you poor Comando, 3 Regimmento, Alpini who relied on the trusted mule. If was going to be used, man had to carry it. Great on the flat terrain but a real pain up a slope!!

They deserved a medal, never complained but even today still carry the soldiers equipment for them in the rocky terrain, jungles etc.....amazing little fellas, oh yes nearly forgot the cooks ladels too!

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Sadly we have had a lot in the UK, some more challenging then others, but eventually their day arrives in court!!!
When I spoke with this guy, he said he was in my Company in 2 PARA and a Military Medal holder..............wrong on both counts!! Suffice it to say I am not on his Christmas card list ;)

'Plastic para' fantasist who spent years claiming he was a hero soldier despite serving as a cook is jailed for fraud | Daily Mail Online

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It always amazes me how many people are complete fantasists Gil. These people generally end up hanging themselves because they just can't resist "gold plating" the story...

Very sad men, who have no life and dishonour all those who have served.
We have all met one or two over the years, some just idiots, but others with a more insidious agenda.

Wasn't there one of these "imposters" caught out, in the U.K. some years ago, collecting money in the street for a non existent service charity because he was either wearing the wrong type of boots or had laced them the wrong way?

What bugs me here is the pan handlers with signs that say "Help a Veteran". I know there are some homeless veterans, but all I know have come away from the military and gotten jobs. That makes me wonder how many with those signs ever really served.

Here you go...................medals bought not earned, people collect stamps I collect Walter Mitty files, as they NEVER go away, only to surface somewhere else years later!!! Some may call that sad, but through my experience these people do not desist.

The Misrepresentation of Uniforms Act 1894 has now been repealed and covered in many areas of the law under different headingS.

The MOD statement says it all:

"Activities such as this can lead to public confidence in Military Charities being undermined"

......................not withstanding a disgrace to all those real soldiers who died to give this man his freedom, to be able to do what he did!!

There is - or was - also a bit of unease in the UK Military about these private collections and dubious organisations collecting. Some are well meaning and have raised big money and kudos for their founders...... no names, no pack drill here....... and have funded re-hab centres, aid for this, that and the other. But the feeling within was that these are all very well, for now, but it should be the Government and the Forces themselves that should be FULLY funding these things and looking after their men and women properly. Some of the large charities who were also large donors through their lodges and memberships have raised these points recently too. And if the govt ain't doing it now, what will they do in the future?

It's very hard NOT to donate to a tin-shaker wearing a a Corps cap badge and I always do. But the feeling is never far away. The main ones, the RSL's, Brit Legion etc etc that have stood the test of time are above all of these comments of course. Thorny problem but it is being talked about.

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Here you go...................medals bought not earned, people collect stamps I collect Walter Mitty files, as they NEVER go away, only to surface somewhere else years later!!! Some may call that sad, but through my experience these people do not desist.

The Misrepresentation of Uniforms Act 1894 has now been repealed and covered in many areas of the law under different headingS.

The MOD statement says it all:

"Activities such as this can lead to public confidence in Military Charities being undermined"

......................not withstanding a disgrace to all those real soldiers who died to give this man his freedom, to be able to do what he did!!

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I just can't understand the thought process that leads to someone thinking it's a good idea playing dress up...

If I did it there would be bound to be someone who knew me walk past, such as a workmate, and ask "what the hell are you doing Flying10?".

ive always said. place a small tax at the end of year on our income. sort of the type which i dont give to (democratic or republican donation )on income tax forms we fill out each year. and let that money go to helping the disabled vets that have defended our country, same fund could help the widows of our fallen police officers . who ever heard of a TAX PAYER wanting to be taxed ,i bet theirs a lot of us that would.

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place a small tax at the end of year on our income.

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Not favorable. I'm a vet and know for a fact our gov't would pocket that, we's so heavily overtaxed now that more would be unfavorably looked upon by all...

But that's not what we're talking about here...

On a more humourous note Gill and others, can you imagine a scene in a local magistrates court where a bit of a jacks-the-lad is up before the beak to answer a charge of wearing a uniform in public, where it is alleged that he wasn't entitled to.

Judge: " Mr Iver Biggun......, how do you answer the charge of wearing your uniform in public when you have never served..."
IB 'Not guilty mu-lud....."
J: But you were wearing it, prancing about wearing it...., we have photos of you. Fancy uniform and awash with medals. What have you got to say......"
IB: Well, there's nothing wrong with dressing up me-lud, just fancy dressin' up nice for a change. Nice sunny day an' that sort of thing...., impress the crowds......, look the part........"
J:: Stop acting like a very silly boy Mr Biggun and start acting your age......... you can't just dress up in uniform wearing all those medals and fancy stuff, strutting around like you've deserved them or done something to deserve them.....
IB: Well They started it........
J: (snorting..........) What do you mean........, explain yourself man!
IB: Look at the trooping of the colour recently, they're ALL doing it...... the kids an' all your 'onour. There's more fancy dress there than a gay pride march and more medals dished out there than at the Olympic games, more gold and silver than an African tyrants bathroom fittings. Prince and princesses wearing this that and the other have never been in the Army or the Navy.
J: Mmmmmmmmmmm, see your point Ivor........ Case dismissed!

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On a more humourous note Gill and others, can you imagine a scene in a local magistrates court where a bit of a jacks-the-lad is up before the beak to answer a charge of wearing a uniform in public, where it is alleged that he wasn't entitled to.

Judge: " Mr Iver Biggun......, how do you answer the charge of wearing your uniform in public when you have never served..."
IB 'Not guilty mu-lud....."
J: But you were wearing it, prancing about wearing it...., we have photos of you. Fancy uniform and awash with medals. What have you got to say......"
IB: Well, there's nothing wrong with dressing up me-lud, just fancy dressin' up nice for a change. Nice sunny day an' that sort of thing...., impress the crowds......, look the part........"
J:: Stop acting like a very silly boy Mr Biggun and start acting your age......... you can't just dress up in uniform wearing all those medals and fancy stuff, strutting around like you've deserved them or done something to deserve them.....
IB: Well They started it........
J: (snorting..........) What do you mean........, explain yourself man!
IB: Look at the trooping of the colour recently, they're ALL doing it...... there's more fancy dress there than a gay pride march and more medals dished out there than at the Olympic games, more gold and silver than an African tyrants bathroom fittings. Prince and princesses wearing this that and the other have never been in the Army or the Navy.
J: Mmmmmmmmmmm, see your point Ivor........ Case dismissed!

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The Camp Commandant has me on DIY duties today Peter, I stopped by Milsurps for a beer/ stress / union tea break and your post had me falling off my office chair with laughter, very funny, thanks for brightening up my day! :rofl::rofl:

but i thought it was about people dressing up like war hero asking for donations,for wounded vets. toi xin loi (sorry about that)

Just injecting a bit of humour Henry...... About people dressing up like heroes

Here is an example of what can be done this kind of thing: Profile - Bogus Operator - SA Special Forces Association
Shame them publicly.

Naming and shaming them publicly on a "Wall of Shame" may contravene one of the many human rights laws that we seem to live under in the U.K. now.

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Naming and shaming them publicly on a "Wall of Shame" may contravene one of the many human rights laws that we seem to live under in the U.K. now.

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Once again it seems as if lowlifes have more "rights" than honest people!!! :banghead:

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Once again it seems as if lowlifes have more "rights" than honest people!!!

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Naming and shaming them publicly on a "Wall of Shame" may contravene one of the many human rights laws that we seem to live under in the U.K. now.

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You got that right ... Talking about Human Rights ...

How about this for a way of playing the system at its own game, I recon if I could pull this off I would never have to work again or be held responsible for anything....

I'll go to the doctors, tell them that I am a woman living in a mans body, but that woman wants to live as a man, this mental and emotional turmoil means I can't possibly run my business anymore, so Joe tax payer will have to look after me...

I can go shooting every day - and just for once I won't be the sucker paying for everyone with "issues" to sit on their lazy arse's and do nothing!

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I'll go to the doctors, tell them that I am a woman living in a mans body, but that woman wants to live as a man,

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Just be careful that your doctor fully understands you or, before you know where you are, your doctor may have arranged gender realignment surgery for you. :yikes: Try explaining that to your wife/partner. :nono:

You might have identified a serious problem with my plan to join the lazy *** great un-washed F10!