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Is there a problem here with this Dovetail ? I just happen to be looking at a Carbine for sale and Zoomed in and saw this. To me it looks like something is wrong after seeing the couple I keep here, but something doesn't look right. It looks to be on pretty good but don't know if this is a problem. Maybe there's nothing wrong with it at all.
Hard to tell from the picture. Doesn't get big enough for my geezer eyes. Looks like there might be some corrosion though. Might be a shim made out of steel or epoxy. Very much a WHAG though.
INTXs,
Anything (stake) on the top?
If it's the pic I think, it looked like a shim from something white. Like paper but it couldn't be...
Looks to me like a dent on the end of the dovetail. Could also be an incorrect staking. Could be combat damage or rough handling. I wouldn't think it would amount to much if I'm seeing what I think I'm seeing.
There's were no pictures from angles to tell if there was a Stake Mark. The guy said the Sight is on pretty tight. I see some type of epoxy on the far side. I also haven't received anymore pictures of it since I showed him this. I also had to keep cropping it to get it to expand to see what I thought was a gap. It looks like it was repaired or maybe Its been like this and he didnt know. I'm hoping to get more pictures of it.
one carbine I had, a STD PRO, i removed the rear sight (correct direction, left to right). One of the adjustable sight staking was so deep when the sight came off a corner of the dovetail did also. Hard to tell if that is what is going on in the above picture. Also wonder if that sight was pushed to the left to remove instead of the right and did a little damage? Again pic is not clear enough to be sure of what is going on, if anything, could be a clump of grease.
INTex,
Cali might have hit on something here, site may have been pushed off the wrong direction.
Didn't you have a rear site walking on you before? Seems I remember that (If it was you?)
Slightly OT, but similar, my son and I were shooting 5 shot groups with a NPM I have. I believe when the original flip was removed it was pushed off the wrong way. The Adj site is heavily staked. Anyway He'd shoot five, we'd check the hits, then i'd shoot 5 to compare. I do this a lot when adj sites.
So he fires 5 hitting in the center then hand to me and I'd shoot 5, my shots are walking right off center. So I adjust, then he again shoots 5 hitting center, hands back to me and again after I shoot 5 they walk off to the right. He's grinning as if he's out shooting the ole man. Again I start to wind the windage back over, when the sight pulls off in to my hand.
I can still hear him laughing.
At home I degreased the site and dovetails. Took it back to the range with him and centered the ap. When shooting straight, I penciled the position on both sides. Back at home a drop of Blue loc-tite on each side under the base. Has stayed tight, a favorite shooter, and keeps things fair now.
Punch stake marks on top right and bottom right.Quote:
Originally Posted by imntxs564
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...17/07/22-1.jpg
Anyone have a TRIMBLE TN stock that is marked this size?
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...017/07/7-2.jpg
Is the Recoil plate fit like this?
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...17/07/23-1.jpg
Seller says so, and barrel shows it had a Bayo band, but no sign of bayo use on this stock:
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...17/07/26-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...17/07/27-1.jpg
Look at the overall wear on the metal and buttplate. Then compare to the wear on the stock. Not a nick or scratch on the stock.
Do you think this is a real WWII issue stock? I have my doubts.
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/670729806
I don't have a TN stock, but we just saw the opposite gap on that UN-QUALITY a couple weeks ago. Wonder if it was from the same seller? - BobQuote:
Originally Posted by painter777
USGI, Remember how the IR replacement stocks and other Commercial made stocks have that loose U shaped fit at the recoil plate? Thats what I'm referring to. Your pic of the UN=Q fit could be tighter if locked up and squared to the plate.
It's the Same seller, some are listed on GB and at the same time on his web site. Web site says UN Q is sold. Site also says RMC/Bavarian 6,082,275 is sold, but same RMC Bavarian is still listed on GB.
His Site: JF Collectables - M1 Carbines
Current GB auctions: http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx...Sellers=911961
RMC Bavarian 6,082... #21 marked SOLD $ 1600: JF Collectables - M1 Carbines
Same RMC #21 on GB: #21 Buy Now $ 1600 : http://www.gunbroker.com/item/670729474
Slippery Culprit.......... :runaway:
CH-P777
I do not believe this is a correct Trimble marking or Stock for this NPM and I also see a piece of metal missing right past the punch mark on the Dovetail. I'm also suspicious of the Parkerizing on this Carbine. To me it looks like grey spray paint or a cheap homemade parkerize job. Here's a picture of my Trimble Stock on my NPM and the marking is smaller just like I seen on other Trimble Stocks. I don't think Trimble ever used different sizes, but I know people here have seen a lot more than I have. It also looks likes they replaced the Front Sight to what's on it now.
Charlie, I just spent the last hour or more looking at those same (5) listings on GB. Studying the IP, the M1A1 with the "extra band mark" on the stock, and the 6.6 Inland - trying to remember if it should be a "hand stamped." the metal on the Inland looks "scary" in the photos. Question on the recoil plate fits - how can they put the gun together without the reciever locked-in with the plate? Or, is that how they end up with all the chipped out slots for the recoil plates? - Bob
Bob, They just have it loosely fit together, not fully tightened and squared off.Quote:
Originally Posted by USGI
I'm just comparing the Recoil plate fit to the fit we're seeing on these new Commercially made stocks AND the IR WWII replacement stocks. My Photobucket hasn't worked all day, I keep getting an 'Error Message'. But I did find a picture from Shamrocks that shows the fit on a IR stock. You commented on it. Remember this fit?
https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=54810
I have never seen that type of fit on a Trimble TN, or any Prime stock supplier IIRC.
Only on IR and new Commercially made stocks... like Dupage.. etc.
https://www.milsurps.com/attachment....2&d=1448899503
Yes, shortly after Larson's book came out, someone posted a copy of his page showing the IR stock's recoil plate cutout. I hadn't seen that in any of my other carbine books at the time. It looks like most of them fit pretty snug in the tang area of the recoil plate, though. I guess I was concentrating more on the misalignment where the receiver and recoil plate mate up. I'm still puzzled how the action could drop down into the stock, and line up with the barrel channel, with the gaps shown on some of those carbines.Quote:
Originally Posted by painter777
Frank: I see what you mean on some of those stocks, but the one on that "late war" Inland was pretty rough - even had an "arsenal repair" in a place that the TM recommends not to repair. :confused: - Bob
Well I would not call the gap on the replacement stocks a weakness as they were made that way on purpose. When replacement stocks were made, they came with their own recoil plate that fit the stock well. The older plates were not as wide as the newer ones were. That is the reason a new plate came with the stock. It spaced the recoil pulse over a wider area of the stock.