Entrenching tool shaft marking?

I picked up this entrenching tool shaft to display with No4 Pig Sticker bayonets. It appears to be British made and of WW2 vintage but it has a "C.F." marking on the metal sleeve. Would I be correct to assume that this marking stands for Canadian Forces or does it stand for something else, please? I can't see a Canadian acceptance marking on it, although I don't wish to strip the paint off to look properly. It recently came from a surplus dealer and so if it was used by Canada there is no telling exactly when.

Thanks for any information.

Is that a 'Arrow' pointing toward the last 4 ?

Yes, I think so but no sign of a "C" around it.

Now I've been out in the sun.... but with this lap top on it's side, I believe I see a C under that paint. C would be laying on it's left side, So for my example I'll use a U instead of the C.

4-4-<- U

The C (U example) being tilted

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Originally Posted by Flying10uk

Canadian Forces

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That was what we called ourselves after Unification in about '68/'70. This wouldn't apply here. We didn't mark things with that, just Canadian Arsenals and "C broad arrow"

Found one that may be similar, But says it's British.
WB 44 <-

Very in depth site here:
08 helve carrier - Other Equipment - Great War Forum
Entrenching Tool Helve - Other Equipment - Great War Forum

Are CF and WB makers markings?
I now very little about out of the US markings.

Interesting though, I did try :sos:

Cheers
Charlie




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I think that the "W.B." is the maker and the "C.F." stands for some something else other than the maker.

CF... Civil Forsvaret (Civil Defense) of Denmark.
Known to 'Recycle' gear from many countries, including German, after the occupation.


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Post WWII British Military Entrenching Tool / Shovel / Pick Helve Handle | eBay

Thanks for finding that painter. I did google "C.F." and I managed to find a list of "possibles" but none that really seemed likely; clearly it didn't stand for "charge full".

These extra bits of information really adds interest to militaria items.

I found their use of different countries helmets. The Dutch used a red stamp (ink) with the royal crown over the CF.... Civilforsvaret

Helmet example:

Need help! What is this helmet?




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This was bought by Denmark for CF use.
The brass receiver housing from a Lanchester Mk.I. The ∋∈ marking indicates the gun was released for export
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...magwell1-1.jpg

Charlie-painter777

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Originally Posted by Flying10uk

the "C.F." stands for some something else other than the maker.

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You were correct !

P777

I think that the question was raised about the "C.F." on a Lanchester mag housing some time ago and no-one was sure of it's meaning.

Here's a Mk1 with the * that has the same 'Export symbol' -><- and S for (Sold).
Along with the CF, ending up in denmark.


FWIW,
Charlie-P777


The brass receiver housing from a Lanchester Mk.I*. The M/94 stamp indicates it was part of W.W.Greener’s subcontract, and the stamp on the rear flange is 1942. This particular gun has the ∋∈ cleared-for-export marking and a post-WWII “S” (sold) indicating it was actually exported.



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Lanchester submachine gun: post-WWII use wwiiafterwwii

What a fascinating read about the Lanchester smg, painter, thanks.

Can that tool not also double as a mine detection with the pig sticker attached I know the grunts/crunchies are not engineers but they do get taught to detect mines well in the day I they did.
Now days just use something like a Giant viper to clear the minefield.

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&r...ILdwtuD3sc0Hlw

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Originally Posted by CINDERS

Can that tool not also double as a mine detection

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Yes, it was used for that as well. I learned probing for mines when I started out...not something you want to do except in emergency, like the realization you're now in the MIDDLE of the minefield.

It reads like the author of that article learned a good deal about it from this site. Could be wrong of course!

Hello Peter,
I don't stand behind the article..... I was grabbing any info I could find, just trying to help. Not often that the Wife is gone and all is quiet on the homefront so one can concentrate. I know very little about the Lanchester.

Cheers
Charlie-P777

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Originally Posted by painter777

I know very little about the Lanchester.

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That's no sweat, Peter handled one once...maybe he can enlighten...

Hey, Painter, please don't think that I object one bit. It wasn't a criticism either. In fact I didn't even realise it was you that wrote it. Kind regards too.