What would be the issue holster for a 1934 Enfield No2 MkI Revolver in .38-200 and what would be the most likely used holster in WWII for the same revolver. Lastly does anyone happen to have a proper holster available for sale?
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What would be the issue holster for a 1934 Enfield No2 MkI Revolver in .38-200 and what would be the most likely used holster in WWII for the same revolver. Lastly does anyone happen to have a proper holster available for sale?
P37 web flap holster I would think.
Have a look here: Pattern 1937 Web Equipment
People seem to ask, here in the U.K., in region of £35 to £50 for a P37 webbing holster.
If you post on the WTB forum you may fine what you seek.Quote:
Originally Posted by capt14k
I had a feeling it would be a P37. Was hoping there was a leather holster I was missing. Thanks for the info guys.
Nope...not issued.Quote:
Originally Posted by capt14k
Last Question I hope. It seems there are more than one P-37 Holster. There is Khaki and Blue which I determined is RAF. There is also those made in UK, Australia, and Canada. Do all of the P37 need the web belt too or were some made for use with any 2" belt? Lastly what is this holster pictured that looks like it has ammo holders as well.
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That is what is referred to as a tanker holster. Yes it would be correct or one of the flap holsters. Why not post a few photos of your Enfield? We would love to see it. Folks on here like to look and see the type grips it sports, modifications, markings etc. Once you get into the Enfield's, Webley's then comes the S&W Victory's. Pre Victory's and Colt's it is a sickness that many of us will help you with.
Thank you. Mine is not a tanker. I only have a couple quick pics I took on my phone. I can post better pics tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by BruceHMX
I have enough collecting addictions Finns, Mausers, FN-49, and French MAS Rifles. I hope I don't develop another. I picked up the Enfield Cheap to go along with my Colt 1911, Type 14 Nambu, and Luger. Of course that quickly led to a P.38 AC44 and Finnish L-35 Lahti. Right now I think I am just focusing on a pistol from each nation involved in the World Wars. Of course that is how my rifle collection started as well.
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Post No 7, the "Tankers" holster demands quite a premium, seen a few at the War and Peace show but didn't suit my wallet contents and needs, I was looking for just a standard holster for a Webley .38, some prices down there were over inflated, but managed to find a faded RAF one for a very reasonable price.
Took some quick pics of markings. Numbers seem to match except on rear which I am guessing is some sort of unit number. Dark black finish made numbers hard to show. Someone I guess wanted to see the crown better and scratched the finish off.
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That's a nice example covered in suncorite. Other's may be able to ascertain the markings. A nice khaki holster can be found on Ebay, Gun Broker or just about any gun show. Beware of fakes or reproductions. You should be able to find a nice WW2 P-37 for under $40. I just scored a nice Air Ministry 1940 RAF holster and ammo pouch for $27. They are out their just have to look in the right places.
Thank You. IMA has the blue RAF Holsters for right around $27. They say they are original, but I don't believe that would be the correct holster for mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by BruceHMX
Canadian made by ZL&T seem to be the most commonly available P37 bolsters on eBay these days. I've got a few of them. Unlike every other piece of P37 web gear I've ever seen they don't appear to be made of pre-shrunk canvas though. In new condition they'll fit a 6" barrelled Webley. But I put one through the washing machine, and the overall length shrunk about an inch, making it fit my Enfields better.
I don't have an authentic tanker holster (yet). But I did have a flap holster with badly torn flap that I disassembled, recut and reversed, then sewed back together as a left handed tanker style.
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What are the blades in that rig? I like that setup.
The kukri is from thekhukurihouse.com. The original water buffalo hide split from the cutting edge of the blade sliding between the two slabs of wood of the sheath, so I removed the leather and added the canvas covering. The knife is a Russel #4 survival knife by Grohmans that my folks gave me almost 40 years ago.
All of the canvas has been "blanco'd" using Tarrago shoe cream mixed to Blanco shade 103 light khaki green. Looks nice, easy to apply and remove, and adds a measure of waterproofing.
Would the correct holster not have been a 28 pttn holster until the 37 pttn became mainstream?
We had as m,any variations of webbing holsters as we had of webbing bayonet frogs. There were loads of never ending different variants until we got the 44 and 58 patterns.
The OP was asking what the correct holster would have been in WW2 though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brit plumber
He asked "What would be the issue holster for a 1934 Enfield No2 MkI Revolver in .38-200 and what would be the most likely used holster in WWII for the same revolver".Quote:
Originally Posted by Baal
I assume this to be 'what would it have been issued with' AND 'what would be the most likely in WW2'
So I would think, '25 pttn until the '37 pttn became mainstream. I believe the RAF used '25 pttn for many years after the intro of '37 and well into WW2.
I did ask both. So issue would be P25 and WWII would have been P37? Where does P28 come into play?
If you were living in the real world of tanks and the tankies who had zillions of these pistols, you would have no concept of what was what regarding 'the right' webbing equipment. A holster was a holster was a holster and you got what you were issued with and came from the technical stores or in the tank supplementary CES. Everyone needs to sit down and take that on board - and get out a bit. It's like asking what tyres your Land Rover would have been fitted with between 1960 and 1970. They'd be round, black and made of rubber by about 8 or 10 different makers and your Land Rover would get what the FAMTO stores sent out to the tyre bay!
You joke about Tyres Peter but my 42 Ford GPW actually left the factory with Ford made tyres or Tires as our cousins call them and that's what I've purchased to fit to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
Sorry if I sound frustrated here but I'm trying to inject a bit of reality or just plain common bleedin' sense into the forum where sometimes, occasionally reality only seems to feature in small doses. Yes, but this pistol didn't leave Enfield with a holster or a landyard or a cleaning rod or 6 rounds on the pockets or an ammo pouch. It was issued from Ordnance to the units as a bare pistol, probably with 500 others to a, say, tank regiment somewhere. That's how it is in the real world
That is exactly what I was wondering. If they were not issued with a holster than either would work for me.
Is this leather belt proper WWII for use with Enfield No2 Holster?
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Somewhere I have an original WW2 British "tank crew suit" which my father purchased as surplus post WW2 for riding motorbikes off road. This is a drab green/khaki colour overall before British tank crews started wearing black overalls. I haven't looked closely at this item for ages but, from memory, I seem to think that the suit it's self incorporated various pockets/pouches etc for holding equipment, built into the suit. I don't think that the suit had provision for holding a pistol, but can't be sure on this until I have a look at it again.
I've never seen those before...at all. Where did they come from?Quote:
Originally Posted by capt14k
Are they WW2 British Home Guard issue? The Home Guard used leather equipment, sometimes, as a substitute for webbing, allegedly because there wasn't such a shortage of leather. The Home Guard leather ammo/utility pouch are a good example of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by capt14k
I don't know. I saw it for sale and was wondering myself. They are on EBay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying10uk
They could be Home Guard, although I'd got the idea that the buckle was different for their belt, unless they used leather belts with more than one design of buckle?
This is an example of the type of "alternative leather pouch" used by the British Home Guard during WW2. Obviously they required belts and straps etc to hold the pouch in position on the soldier.
WW2 1939 Pattern Leather Bren Female Auxiliary / Utility Pouch - Home Guard | eBay
They are a leather alternative to the webbing one, and the belt is the most commonly encountered item of the set these days. They will work, but it probably isn't what you are looking for.
Pattern 1939 Leather Infantry Equipment
This page shows the normal 'Enfield' holsters Pattern 1937 Web Equipment Mills had been making a very similar case as part of their commercial webbing sets in the '20s and '30s, some of which went to the RAF and some to the Canadians. Rod pipe was on the outside.
Now I am intrigued. I picked up a 1931 Enfield No.2 (no import mark, no civilian proofing marks, no sold out of service marks - maybe someone "accidently" brought it home to the US?), and it came with a leather "Sam Brown"-type holster. The revolver is a perfect fit in the holster. There are no maker or inspection marks whatsoever on the holster, so I have no clue. Just thought I'd share.
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Perhaps the leather holster is a private purchase by an officer? Looks very nice.
I have a copy of a pamphlet from 1916 written by Captain Charles Tracy and titled Revolver Shooting in War, A Practical Handbook. In it he recommends to officers to make a private purchase of a cowboy style leather holster to carry the Webley in combat.
Looks like a WW1 issue type. Yes, could be private purchase too...Quote:
Originally Posted by spinecracker
Stamps and Skennerton book .380 Enfield page 109 has a leather holster like that displayed. As it is the Sam Brown type pattern.
Officers would have to acquire a suitable holster for their Sam Browne and service dress. This would be purchased from the outfitter/tailor.
Didn't officers in the British colonial Indian army have leather holsters?