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Described as Unissued and a Museum piece.
Currently @ $17,591.00
UNISSUED WWI COLT1911 U.S.45ACP MUSEUM QUALITY NR - Semi Auto Pistols at GunBroker.com : 792131038
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Isn't that sweet? Something I'd expect RCS to pull out of his pocket...
Or from the John Holbrook collection.
Sounds like Gordon Bethune's kind of purchase. What a beautiful gun. I'd have it just to stare at the finish. Can't get over the condition. Could those grips really not have aged at all?
Every time I see something like this one, it makes me wonder how it made it and where it hid. I saw one complete with belt and holster and mags/pouch that was issued to a surgeon in the US military in WW1 and was never moved from his foot locker. It went home with him and remained there. It was perfect. You wonder if you could find the guns close to this number what shape they'd be in? Or are they buried in France? Guns like this will be surfacing still in 200 years. As new and perfect...
I think the same thing. Saw an Eddystone 1917 at a local auction tonight. There were splinters around the ordnance stamps on the wood. How’d that survive? Like they always say, “if they could talk.”Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
Early Super Colt,
Very good putting out nice pictures. I wish I had these skills. Ole Harlan put out some nice pictures/displays in his day.
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How about this first gen Woodsman... !
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That top one is a nice commercial gun, yes very pretty...
Jim,
That Super was probably bought to be used (I'd guess) it shows wear from gripping.
But to be nearly a 100 years old... she sure is nice.
Same seller has a **Beautiful** Colt New Service Revolver in .38-40 Mfg 1939 5-1/2"
I better stop here.... Feel like I'm advertising his auctions.
I've got that 'Wishy' feeling today... it's my birthday.
Different years, But Winston Churchill was also born today... :thup:
But Unfortunately so was Rock Hudson :ugh:
Cheers
Happy B-Day Charlie...you have the bulge on both those guys, you're still above ground.
Happy B-Day Charlie.....you should be allowed to buy 1 thing from your wishy list on your birthday I reckon.
The Colt Forum had some interesting comments re: this gun.
suffice it to say, it seems to have issues...
WWI 1911 in Orbit
and the "buyer"
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Off-Topic: As noncombatants, medical doctors were not issued weapons. True in WWII (my father was U.S. Army M.D. in the European Theater). True in WWI?Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
That's what I always thought too, our medics carried and were prepared to defend both patients and the Dr while he did his thing under fire as some did... As for how he managed to get it, if not issued, wouldn't have been THAT hard to procure. Someone here will have had a Dr relative and might know. Doubt any had a Dad in WW1 as mine and yours were WW2, Cosine26 perhaps would be old enough for his did to have been in WW1...maybe someone has a TO&E to show us...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mister Coffee
Not to put too fine a point on it, but my understanding is that, if medical personnel were to have carried weapons, they would have been in violation of international accords regarding non-combatants. The idea was that they were not armed, so the enemy was not supposed to fire on them. So, it wasn't just a matter of them not being issued weapons. They would have some real sh*t to sort out if they were caught carrying arms.Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
As for medics or corpsmen or what have you, I have no idea how it worked for them. But you said above that the man was a surgeon. A surgeon is not supposed to be any place where he would need a weapon, unlike a medic, who would be on the field of battle. You say your medics were armed, and I do not doubt you. Then again, there is only so much you can reasonably carry, so I wonder why a medic would want to carry weapons and ammo even if he could get hold of it. Maybe medics are considered fighting personnel (?).
I want to underscore that I am not an expert. You probably know more about all this than I do.
NOTE: I see you are Canadian. When you say "our medics," do you mean the Canadian Army?
Certainly... Our Dr. accompanied us into the field, he's the battalion surgeon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mister Coffee
Also during the Normandy landings the medical staff came ashore immediately.
By the way, I've had enough conjecture. I was relating the story of a firearm as I got it from the auction house. Long past. None of it matters to me. That's where the pistol came from, how he got it doesn't matter. Here's the provenance I recorded with this beauty... I have lots more pics but this should do.
Jim,
On the card,
Where it says Duty..... Does that say Camp Hosp 12 ?
About 35 years ago I knew Dr.John McC. Smith in Little Rock, AR. In WWII he had served as a doctor in the military. He had a photo in his office of him in a t-shirt with a Model 1911A1 in shoulder holster. He was in a tent treating somone. There were palm trees in the background, which I assumed meant he was in the pacific theater. I doubt this was a posed picture and is only circumstantial evidence that he was armed in a combat situation but I believe that was where he was.
Base hospital 12...the way I read it.Quote:
Originally Posted by painter777
Doctor Frank W Snow,Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
Was a graduate of the Medical School in 1902, a member of the first contingent of the Harvard Surgical Unit in 1915. The initial contingent of the Harvard Surgical Unit, consisting of 32 surgeons, 3 dentists, and 75 nurses, sailed for Europe aboard the Noordam on June 26, 1915. Surgeons were principally drawn from the Massachusetts General and Boston City hospitals. The unit was entertained at Warwick Castle on July 10 and then arrived in France on July 16 for a service of six months’ duration. Doctor Snow can be seen sitting in the front row on the far left.
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** Link To Above Picture**
The First Unit Arrives in Europe Exhibits
After America entered the war, he was first attached to No. 4 General Hospital in the British Expeditionary Force in the city of Rouen, France. Then assigned to the U.S. Army's Camp Hospital No. 12 in Le Valdahon in April 1918 and appointed officer in command there. He was transferred to Camp Hospital No. 41 in Is-sure-Tille early in 1919, returning to the United States in July. Snow was awarded the Médaille d'honneur des affaires étrangères ( Medal Of Honor For Foreign Service ) and cited for his "exceptionally meritorious and conspicuous services at Camp Hospital No. 12" by General Pershing.
Doctor Frank W Snow:
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Camp 12 Front View of Office. Doctor Snow can be seen in the right rear corner at the Commanding Officers Desk. Note the Locker below his desk..
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Links that show more camp pictures that can be enlarged:
Camp Hospitals of the American Expeditionary Forces Exhibits.
Jim,
Very nice piece of History you have there. Might have been arranged by Ole Black Jack :thup:
Regards,
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Thought I should add a picture of their Lab.
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That one would have ben a keeper I feel Jim I would have kept it locked away as its a mighty fine looking piece very nice bluing and minimal if any wear cannot have had many rounds out of it.
I have a problem keeping a new one that can't be shot or shouldn't be manipulated much...I don't have the money to just sit on these or enough of them to be able to not shoot them. Always been that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by CINDERS
I have Marine Corps orders for the corpsman in the Pacific in WWII to be armed.
On the M1911 that sold for 17k or whatever the final auction sale was. I am not a big fan of the pistol. From what I see I think it's a restoration. The lettering, lines of the pistol, and just some other things sort of strike me as more a restoration than an original piece.
Here is the comparison of the lettering. I think it looks redone. The slide stop looks buffed and refinished as well.
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In my opinion, something 100 years old that looks "new" and has crisp markings, coatings, no discoloration, no waves or scuffing at the sharp edges is very suspect.
Metallurgy alone tells us this is unlikely.
I have seen "brand new" in the box Inglis High Powers with their decals and even though they are "never used" , they still look like they have been stored for 70 odd years with some residual lube on them in places.
I agree with CplSteves analogy of the pics.
Examining that WW1 piece for any sign of recent draw file or higher than the original steel ratio of nickel steel showing micro welding infill should have been a high priority for anyone vetting that one.
I recently purchased a Colt 1911A1 from 1943 that is a solid 8.5/9 out of 10 and it can pick it up, proudly show it to someone, wipe it down and put it back in the safe without fear. That's my speed...really nice, well cared for.
What more should we ask for?
Yes, a nice clean example is about my speed now...Quote:
Originally Posted by 6167
This Colt has been Re-listed due to the NON Paying winner.
Here's the bidder list of the first go round, that I've compared to some of this sellers other current listings, like a Never Issued IBM carbine. So many of the same names he looks to have a cult following or his own shill bidder roster.
Be sure to look for Ozzy5d C Rating (2) Transactions... among others
Colt 1st go round:
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Possible, I'd think a repeat non paying or poor bidder would get sorted by site staff though...eventually...Quote:
Originally Posted by painter777
Look at the feed ramp of the " unissued" Carbine.
I have seen other like new 75 year old pieces from manufacturers who left feed ramps in the white and there was always some toning to actual patina.
I believe Carbines left the plants greased, wrapped and packed.
This looks like it was done last week.
My opinion but does this stuff just looks too nice?
I have a Lend Lease Garand that almost looks too nice except for the crate dings in the original stock set confirming the history of the 77 years of storage and travel.
Is this the same gun, once again? How many can there be?
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Non-paying bidders are on the rise with GB. I feel for the sellers. Been mostly buying, but every once in a while, I sell. Always hold my breathe until he payment show. Worse part is not the absent payment, but the fee that GB charges and then takes more than a month to process a refund for the fee. Just a pain. I have brought this up several times with. They just ignore me.
Because they make money on the interest from YOUR money. So they let you sit while they rake in profit.Quote:
Originally Posted by AmEngRifles
GB seems to be making PLENTY of money. The even offer a "MEMBERSHIP" now!? Are they starting their own Bank? lol
Might not be a bad idea these days. Seems like the SJW's are working hard to keep regular CC and banking orgs away from any kind of gun business...Quote:
Originally Posted by AmEngRifles
Russ