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Hello all,
Just thought I'd give a heads up.
PayPal does not allow the use of their services for, let's call it, "gun stuff."
And they mean it! I have been banned permanently and they are holding my funds for 180 days.
This is not a "bash PayPal" post because I knew very well I was going against their terms of use despite doing everything legally, federally speaking. This is all my fault so no ill will on my part.
So, yeah, follow the rules, folks ;)
That's interesting, some four or five years back I organized to sell a 1928 Thompson dewat to a young man in Quebec. He demanded that we do the financial transaction through Paypal and wouldn't hear of another plan. I had to raise an account and transfer funds through it to him, he paid the seller fees as well as the $4000 for the gun. It took the normal stumbling time to do everything but there was no issue of any kind...except the long times they take. As soon as business was concluded, I was only too happy to cancel the account...
But, I had no issues with them being dicks...
To be truthful, I find this validating. I’ve done a LARGE volume of sales this year..and now it seems I’ve done large enough for them to take notice.
So really it’s a compliment, right? Haha.
Apparently eBay is trialing a new program where eBay themselves will act as the payment processor. I’m trying to get into that program. For now I can’t sell anything on eBay. They accept alternate means of payment but PayPal must also be an option.
For now, all my business will go to GunBroker which is much cheaper anyway! All’s well that ends well.
Got to fly under their values radar, got greedy and suspended for a bit. Back but real careful
I wish that I could say that this is the 1st time that I've heard of something like this. A friend got the ban and his money held for 6 months. Is there any way around this??
Later 42rocker
"...they are holding my funds for 180 days..." That'd be a crime in most places. However, PayPal is/was owned by the same anti-firearm ownership people that own E-Bay.
Yep, I agree with Sunray. Keep patronizing those outfits and it's like slowly cutting your own throat.
From what I gathered their decision of “banishment and funds held for 180 days” was pretty non-negotiable.
Again, I’m not bashing PayPal or their particular political slant.
I know I was doing something against the rules and now I’ve been punished. My bad.
Word to the wise!
I'm wondering how PayPal knew this was a "gun" transaction?
I haven’t looked too closely at it but I would imagine that one of my buyers listed something obvious in a memo line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ernest T
“For the Winchester 1894 from GunBroker.”
Or something like that.
I think it depends on what kind of gun stuff you deal in.
I have over 300 transactions for reloading tools on ebay so most of my transactions are for some sort of gun related stuff.
I have also bought knives and car engines on ebay.
I have never had ebay object to any transactions.
I have also paid for a number of transactions involving reloading components like brass and bullets and so far I have escaped their attention.
I am not sure how paypal establishes what is permitted and what is forbidden but as long as you are buying stuff from ebay I don't think they have room to complain.
They make it pretty clear in their terms of use.Quote:
Originally Posted by ireload2
And I’m a seller, not a buyer. The stuff that got me banished was likely stuff I sold on GunBroker.
Trouble is things get difficult when you start trying to define exactly what "Gun related" items actually mean. Would one define a sling or canvas gun slip as being gun related? One could say that a book about a certain aspect of guns was "guns related".
For what it's worth. An 1889 Officers model Bodeo was listed three successive times on ebay. The seller had no previous transactions as a seller or buyer so I was not interested, never mind ebays/paypals firearms policy. The revolver apparently sold on the third listing April third. Within the last year or so I saw a broken but fixable Spanish Ruby type pistol also sold on ebay. Apparently the monitors are not 100% efficient. On a related note, after 2020 ebay will be breaking with paypal and will use Amsterdam based company Adyen as their services provider. Anyone know anything about Adyen? Tom.
I assume parts are not an issue because I buy and pay for them with Paypal all the time with no issues.
Yes, they’re calling it “Managed Payments,” and are trialing it. I’m trying to be in that trial so I can continue selling on eBay. Most of my stuff will be right at home on gunbroker but I sell some things that wouldn’t.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldpaul
eBay has already discontinued support of other credit card processors. Currently, for the average joe without PayPal, you cannot sell on eBay.
I replaced both my RRA "black gun" stocks awhile back. E-Bay couldn't tell me why they booted my factory AR-15 stock. Yet, during the same auction period, were "OK-fine" with the factory stock from my AR-10. They are and always will be - clueless!Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying10uk
Russ
180 days? I see how government can get away with civil asset forfeiture but a private company holding your money that long to punish you seems a bit sketchy to say the least. Does not seem normal for a company to punish you without due process terms of use or no.
Imagine the interest earned while holding thousands of accounts hostage.
Hooked, while true with governmental entities, you sign up (or agree to updates to the original contract) for this, and so you end up playing by their rules. Like ebay for several years, until a better competitor can prove themselves, it is the venue. It is enough to make you look at other online fund handling services, google pay for example.
I thought though that when ebay sold off paypal, that you could discontinue paypal. It is a checked box that I have never unchecked when I sell, so I will look into it.
Just for kicks, I sent off an email to them asking how the 180 hold falls in line with the Expedited Funds Availability Act. I suggested that if they couldn't enlighten me then perhaps the Department of the Treasury could explain it to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by HOOKED ON HISTORY
I don't expect them to let go of my money but I don't really have much to lose at this point, haha.
And THAT'S why they drag their feet in both payment and returning cash. That's how they make their money at YOUR expense. That's why I couldn't wait to close that account when I completed my transaction.Quote:
Originally Posted by painter777
It's worth pointing out here that I'm really to blame for my funds being held.Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
1. I violated their rules.
2. I left money in my account.
I'm not going to starve or anything but I have $1k in there that I'd rather not wait 6 months to get. I kept it in there for convenience, really. Shipping came straight out of it, eBay fees, the rare return.
Not worth it, folks.
Learn from me!
1. Follow the rules.
2. Don't leave money in your account.
"...after 2020 E-Bay will be breaking with PayPal..." E-Bay has already broken up their evil anti-firearm Empire, as I recall. That doesn't mean they're not owned by the same people who fund the people who want to take your firearms away from you. Always amazes me when I see firearms related businesses using PayPal.
Same sort of thing happened to the guy at .303British who was selling his bullets several years ago. Account suspended and money confiscated.
Hi all,
Just a bit of an update on this. I was able to speak to someone at eBay today about this. I pointed out to them the likely thousands of dollars of fees eBay would miss out since I can't currently sell.
He told me something very telling.
Apparently, they cannot currently just "push a button" to opt people into Managed Payments. It is a case-by-case review of sellers and only limited amount will be let in per year due to "certain agreements with PayPal."
While it does me diddle good, he did say they plan to be 100% converted over in 2 years time.
So, I'm inventory overloaded and SOL on the eBay front.
Time to find an alternative! Anyone have experience with eBid?
Apparently you are not allowed to sell "Victory Bells" on eBay (even though many others do) or so eBay told me when I tried to do so a little while ago. The reason given to me was that the aluminium from which they were cast, just after WW2, was originally part of a wartime German aircraft. I explained to them that there are no Nazi symbols on it and they were originally sold post WW2 to raise funds for RAF charities but to no avail. I was told that the item had been "flagged up" should I ever attempt to list it again on eBay.
It's even got the outline of Churchill's head on it, plus the other 2 allied wartime leaders, Roosevelt and Stalin!
Did you use the word “nazi?” They have keywords that are immediate flags, I’ve found. M14, AR15, Nazi. Things like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying10uk
No, not as far as I am aware.Quote:
Originally Posted by rcathey
After eBay removed my listing I lost all record of what I had stated so I have no way of going back to check the precise wording of my listing.While I don't recall using the word "Nazi" it is still, however,l possible that I could have included a phase along the lines of "No Nazi markings". I just don't recall having done so but I can't be certain either way.
I got flagged once years ago for attempting to sell model aircraft decals which had swastikas on them. Forgot about that until these recent posts. Didn't really get in trouble, they just removed the listing and gave me a warning. After that, I went through my model kits and found that all the newer German ones were missing the swastika decals. Older ones still had them. Rather amazing how important it is to some people to hide history.
Amazing how quick we got to this point from this point:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aragorn243
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Yep, I don't feel inclined to wear a swastika or other nazi emblem myself but equally I'm not going to have a coronary if I see one elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aragorn243
My step mother hated that show. Said something to the effect that the Nazi's weren't funny, shouldn't be glorified on a show, etc. It was one of my favorites as a kid, I still enjoy it today. She seemed to miss the point that they were being made fun of and always lost. Not dissimilar to propaganda during the war.Quote:
Originally Posted by rcathey
Bingo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aragorn243
Werner Klemperer (Klink) served as an MP and toured combat areas as an actor during WW2.
John Banner (Schultz) was a supply sergeant and purportedly lost family to the holocaust.
Robert Clary (LeBeau) was actually IN Auschwitz.
It was a prime-time outlet to make Nazis look bumbling and idiotic. I'd have taken it too!
We had "Allo Allo" but I'm not sure if it was ever broadcast in the states, a take off of a French resistance group.
'Allo 'Allo! - Wikipedia!
I am on my 4th or 5th paypal account,
one time they locked us up because we had the PayPal logo on our website , and we sell firearms,
thing is, they asked us to put the logo on the website (that sight also had some accessories and mostly Signed Aviation Art)
last time the locked us up, we did not get a reason, just locked, (hope to get funds in a couple of months)
that account was used for maybe 10 purchases, (one a book, the rest postage when the post office online CC processor was down)
and only used for Ebay stuff sold,
so off to the bank, get a small savings account, set up a gmail email, and link it back to my ebay acct,,
Ebay was a pain while I was out of a paypal acct, since they had shut down the other CC processor payment they had set up , so it was mail it only, or call me and pay over the phone,
surprising how many folks wanted to pay with paypal and did not want to use a CC over the phone,,,
ebay's contract with paypal is up in a year or so, and they have decided not to use them anylonger
While watching the last scene in Platoon recently I noticed what appeared to be a Nazi flag on the antenna of the tank or APC rolling up on the napalmed firebase. Wonder if Oliver was doing a bit of subtle history bending there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aragorn243
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Don't forget McHale's Navy RIP Tim Conway. What a great time to be a kid. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McHale's_NavyQuote:
Originally Posted by rcathey
I thought he was just showing how some ran absolutely wild there...Quote:
Originally Posted by HOOKED ON HISTORY
That type of stuff wasn't unheard of, even into the 2000s. The internet is the main reason it has become much less common as photos travel a lot farther.
US marines in fresh controversy over sniper team photo with Nazi SS flag | US news | The Guardian
Canada also had some major issues with that mainly in regards to the Airborne Regiment in the 90s and earlier.
Perhaps. The rest of the movie sure did.Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
A bit of an update.
A couple weeks ago, after looking over my inventory, I said, "Oh hell, why not" and created another PayPal account.
2 weeks and $2,400 in sales later...they found me and banned me again. Clever folks they have over there at PayPal.
But I've purged some inventory and put some cash back in my pocket. I'll count this one as a win.
Oh...and this time I didn't leave any money in my account after it became available ;)
Some folks on Gunbroker use the phrase "discreet Paypal accepted". If you carefully omit all key words in your correspondence, you will have no trouble. Paypal & ebay use "bots"; i.e., they search all correspondence for any of the words on their "unacceptable" list. Actually, they are reading your emails.
Neal
And one more little update on this.
As discussed earlier in the thread, eBay is moving away from PayPal and migrating users to their new payment platform called "Managed Payments."
I was told by eBay over the phone that they cannot currently just "push a button" to opt people into Managed Payments. It is a case-by-case review of sellers and only a limited amount will be let in per year due to "certain agreements with PayPal."
But here's the deal, you can request to be considered for the trial through a page on their site. Since I'm on the computer every night printing shipping labels anyway, I just left this page up and requested their consideration every night for about 3 weeks.
And now I'm in! Coincidence???
I know not everyone loves eBay, and I certainly don't agree with them politically, but in a war of attrition the troops need supplied by any means.
Today is a very good day for this particular small (one-man) business.
:beerchug:
So - what about "managed payments"? Are they going to have the same BS stipulations?
Managed Payments will be only through eBay. Simply put, I won't be able to use it for the same things that got me banned from PayPal.
I have a self-professed "second amendment friendly" credit card processor now anyway that handles that stuff.
Until its not. Everybody and their sister is trying to get you to pay through their service, I can't see eBay staying out of that market for long. They were, after all, in it for years with PayPal in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by rcathey
Perhaps. But again, I have a credit card processor that handles all my outside-of-ebay transactions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorba
I'm averaging .35% (yes, one third of one percent) on my transactions through them.
Way cheaper than PayPal anyway. PayPal banishing me has saved me approximately $800 in fees since they did it. Thanks, PayPal!!
One, probably, final update:
PayPal has released the funds they had on hold after their 180 days. I really expected to have to fight for it! I can now completely wipe my hands of PayPal for good :beerchug:
To bad there isn't a 'List' of how many are currently sitting with funds locked down by Pay Pal and the total money tied up.
I'm sure their sitting on a nice stash that they make $interest on.
But best to refund before tax period ends. Now the funds you had locked down become a expenditure for them.
RC,
Happy for you....
Served your time well.