AN/PVS-2 reticle diagram

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07-19-2019, 07:54 PM
old tanker

AN/PVS-2 reticle diagram

Anyone have the mil relation for the T reticle in the AN/PVS-2 starlight scope?

You'd think this would be an easy one. Just look it up in the operator's manual...

It's not in TM 11-5855-203-10 (1974) or TM 11-5855-203-23 (1977).

Checked marksmanship manuals, FM23-8, FM23-9 and FM23-10 from 1966, 1974, 1989, and 2006 and it's not there either. They briefly mention zeroing at 150 meters but no sketch or any description of the reticle

Anyone have an old Armor School Training Text, or maybe some Viet Nam era training circulars might have it?

AN/PVS-4 and later, the pictures and diagrams of US, Israeli, and commercial reticles for everything from the M16 to the Stinger missile with full color glossy photos are all over the internet.

PVS is still classified, apparently :surrender:
07-29-2019, 01:07 PM
Elphiel

Hi, a friend of mine just send me a photo and it is the same on as the british IWS version.

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...zk08jpeg-1.jpg
07-29-2019, 03:02 PM
old tanker

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Originally Posted by Elphiel

Hi, a friend of mine just send me a photo and it is the same on as the british IWS version.

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...zk08jpeg-1.jpg

Thanks, but still on the hunt. I was finally able to find and incomplete version of TC 23-11 which illustrates an early bead reticle and the later and more common black line reticle, but without any dimensions or mil relationship. I have the black line reticle which differs from yours. So still looking for the definitive answer.

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07-30-2019, 09:56 AM
fjruple

I believe from what I remember the reticle, dot or line was a 3 inch move at 150 meters. It's has been awhile since I used one.
08-08-2019, 04:16 PM
old tanker

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Originally Posted by fjruple

I believe from what I remember the reticle, dot or line was a 3 inch move at 150 meters. It's has been awhile since I used one.

Close, one click of the elevation or windage adjustment knobs moves the strike 3 inches at 150 meters
08-08-2019, 04:26 PM
Tom in N.J.

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Attachment 102119I have one of those AN/PVS 2 NVS, but I don't shoot it much and never noticed the complete lack of info on the reticle in the manuals... Page 23 of TM 11-5855-203-10 confirms each click moves point of strike 3" at 150 yards. :rolleyes:
08-09-2019, 07:59 AM
fjruple

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Originally Posted by old tanker

Close, one click of the elevation or windage adjustment knobs moves the strike 3 inches at 150 meters

Yes, you are right but the marks on the reticle also equates to 3 inches at 150 meters.
08-09-2019, 11:51 AM
Elphiel

Can owners of the PVS-2 confirm the reticle is the same like in the PVS-1 manual, or ist it like the IWS reticle my friends PVS-2 has.

I'm just a bit curios if his PVS-2 has the wrong reticle on it. Perhaps its a custom one intended for the brits before the introduction of IWS? Or some home made reticle. I dont own it myself so cant ask him so unscrew the frontlens to take a look on the front of his tube. As far as i know the reticle is etched solid into the PVS-2 tube instead of a seperate glass reticle like in IWS right? Or is it a little plastic sheet with a printed reticle glued infront of the tube like on the L5 pocket scope?

thanks for the Info
08-09-2019, 02:36 PM
Tom in N.J.

I just HAD to look at mine to see which reticle it had... it is the latter type with solid lines, Old tanker's second pic... I just put in the batteries and turned it on to see, I have no idea how the reticle is installed
08-10-2019, 07:27 AM
fjruple

The reticle on the AN/PVS-1 is installed separate from the Image intensifier tube. I have seen both reticles on the AN/PVS-1 and own one with the round circles reticle. On the AN/PVS-2 series the reticle is etched into the rear of the image tube. The image tubes for the AN/PVS-1 has no etching. As a side note those folks that are looking for an image tube for the AN/PVS-1 will find that the British EEV image will fit the AN/PVS-1 and are of a later generation than the image tubes on the AN/PVS-2. I have experimented with using different reticles for the AN/PVS-2 by using the British EEV tubes with different reticles print on a super-pixel thermal clear plastic and gluing them with an optical glue to the rear of the image tube. The results were OK but not great.
08-10-2019, 10:43 AM
Elphiel

Yep. i suspect someone has glued one of these reticles on my friends PVS-2 tube as it was refurbished some time ago by who knows who.

Interesting that the reticle of the PVS-2 was etched to the backside or image side of the tube. With the PVS-1/IWS and L5 reticle being placed infront of the tube, perhaps this is the better solution?
08-13-2019, 12:51 PM
old tanker

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Attachment 102242

Fifty years go when I was using the AN/PVS-2 and the AN/TVS-2B they were astounding. The TVS-2 mounted on the M2 was tremendously useful on the tank and the much larger objective lens made it significantly more capable. Tse of the flsh hider was important to keep the early sights from blinking out.The M48 also had IR sights but those required the use of the IR searchlight, and that required running the engine. The Sheridan was equipped with a starlight main gun sight (XM44) and consequently its searchlight had an IR filter closer to visible light (commonly called "pink light." At the time the tank's AN/VSS-1 IR filter ( "red light") was visible to the the M32 gunner's main gun sight or the An/PAS-6 metascope but NOT to starlight scopes. In short, IR sights could see both "red" and "pink" light searchlights, but starlights could only see "pink." Eventually, AN/VSS-1 searchlights were retrofitted with "pink" light filters.

Among the tricks we used to extend the usefulness of the Starlight scopes on moonless and overcast nights was to use indirect illumination and shine the tank searchlights at the clouds. Firing mortar and artillery flares above a cloud layer gave nice diffused glow which worked very well also.
10-01-2019, 04:26 PM
NVS-500

Quote:

Originally Posted by old tanker

Anyone have the mil relation for the T reticle in the AN/PVS-2 starlight scope?

You'd think this would be an easy one. Just look it up in the operator's manual...

It's not in TM 11-5855-203-10 (1974) or TM 11-5855-203-23 (1977).

Checked marksmanship manuals, FM23-8, FM23-9 and FM23-10 from 1966, 1974, 1989, and 2006 and it's not there either. They briefly mention zeroing at 150 meters but no sketch or any description of the reticle

Anyone have an old Armor School Training Text, or maybe some Viet Nam era training circulars might have it?

AN/PVS-4 and later, the pictures and diagrams of US, Israeli, and commercial reticles for everything from the M16 to the Stinger missile with full color glossy photos are all over the internet.

PVS is still classified, apparently :surrender:

Hello! Here are two pics of AN/PVS-2 reticle from my archive. The first is the view thru the scope. The same reticle pattern was used in AN/PVS-3. Reticle on real photo is the latter variant of PVS-2 reticle. The first variant was the same as black line reticle for AN/PVS-1. The second one is ballistic chart for 7.62x51 NATO (in meters). Unfortunately I don`t have mil or MOA measurements of PVS-2 reticle too and I will be very glad to find them. Pay attention to the following - the 1st vertical line DOESN`T cover the center between horizontal lines!
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10-01-2019, 04:41 PM
NVS-500

Quote:

Originally Posted by fjruple

The reticle on the AN/PVS-1 is installed separate from the Image intensifier tube. I have seen both reticles on the AN/PVS-1 and own one with the round circles reticle. On the AN/PVS-2 series the reticle is etched into the rear of the image tube. The image tubes for the AN/PVS-1 has no etching. As a side note those folks that are looking for an image tube for the AN/PVS-1 will find that the British EEV image will fit the AN/PVS-1 and are of a later generation than the image tubes on the AN/PVS-2. I have experimented with using different reticles for the AN/PVS-2 by using the British EEV tubes with different reticles print on a super-pixel thermal clear plastic and gluing them with an optical glue to the rear of the image tube. The results were OK but not great.

Interesting experience! The results were not great because you have to change ocular assembly because new reticle detail was put into the optical axis of the device.

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Originally Posted by Elphiel

Yep. i suspect someone has glued one of these reticles on my friends PVS-2 tube as it was refurbished some time ago by who knows who.

Interesting that the reticle of the PVS-2 was etched to the backside or image side of the tube. With the PVS-1/IWS and L5 reticle being placed infront of the tube, perhaps this is the better solution?

The same technology was used by Russians in 1st gen tubes for artillery and tank NV scopes - reticle pattern was etched on the posterior screen of image intensified tube.