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Have a look at the video 'appeal'.
Save the .22s! Can You Help?
Let’ hope they can be saved... I’d love to buy one, but the UK does not want me as a buyer...so bad...
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Originally Posted by Ovidio
The UK Government doesn't even want me as a buyer and I'm on 'home ground'.
I think that's it's worth noting that representations have already been made to the UK government about the No.8's; in fact over a year ago by both LERA and the HBSA.
I'm not sure what response they received if any at all, I will ask those in the know.
You are fighting a bitterly anti-firearm government and a bureaucracy terrified of the embarrassment of facilitating murder. It used to be a pillar of British common law that you were innocent until proven guilty. Sorry, I'm very sensitive to the prevailing attitude that if you are a gun owner, you are a potential baby killer. I firmly believe in the saying: "You can't trust a government that doesn't trust you."
The excuse given was that there was a EU directive stopping the sale of military weapons to the public. They said that they could to used to train terrorists.
The No.8 is a single shot bolt action .22 rifle. Surely a semi automatic AK47 .22 clone ( which can be purchased easily in the UK) would be a better training rifle for the purpose. Also. in a few months EU directives will not apply to the UK.
A decent No.8 will fetch £1,000 (that's what I paid for mine 2 years ago) and I believe they would sell readily to the trade for £500 average for all conditions. That is £3,500,000 of our money that could help the NHS.
Not only that but many of us learned to shoot in the cadets with these rifles. THEY ARE PART OF OUR HISTORY.
I had a couple and shot them to great effect on our small bore team with my battalion in the '70's. Would be sad to see them destroyed, they could glean the Gum't a good few pounds notes. No self respecting terrorist would train on those.
It's financial foolishness to not get something for them. Maybe the Brexit deal can be put to some use here. I won't hold my breath.
It all comes down to a UN protocol (signed by many / most countries including the UK & USA)
This, and other protocols ban the sale of military firearms and ammunition to anyone except another Government department.
Even President Obama, signed up to it - meaning that all us 'home loaders' could now require a Ammunition Manufacturers licence from our Governments.
From the UN document :
(c) “Ammunition” shall mean the complete round or its components,
including cartridge cases, primers, propellant powder, bullets or projectiles, that are
used in a firearm, provided that those components are themselves subject to
authorization in the respective State Party;
(d) “Illicit manufacturing” shall mean the manufacturing or assembly of
firearms, their parts and components or ammunition:
(i) From parts and components illicitly trafficked;
(ii) Without a licence or authorization from a competent authority of the
State Party where the manufacture or assembly takes place; or
(iii) Without marking the firearms at the time of manufacture, in accordance
with article 8 of this Protocol;
Licensing or authorization of the manufacture of parts and components shall be in
accordance with domestic law;
While I can accept the wisdom of an international accord to try to control the flow of small arms heading into conflict zones, there has to be 'some' common sense applied!
No8's are in way, shape or form a weapon of war and are obviously purely paper punches.
Their destruction helps no one, but plays extremely well to the anti gun lobby.
Such a shame, like many UK shooters, the No8 was the first Firearm (and Lee Enfield) I ever fired and I will add one to the collection one day.
On the basis of obsolete military arms being destroyed, maybe owners of Brown Bess muskets, Baker rifles and Martini Henry rifles should be aware.
Common sense and politics are polar opposites.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrclark303
Be interesting what you find out Mick, looking on Rifleman.org, approx 2000 have already gone to meet there maker......... I guess it revolves around the meaning of "Military Rifle" was it produced as such, or was just a Military contract ? commercial ones were made and also the sales direct from BSA to NZ there is a small snippet in the link below regarding that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strangely Brown
My own is a NZ serial numbered one, shoots like a dream, I won the 50 yd indoor Benched comp with this, not bad considering most of the opposition sported Anschutz (expensive ones)
just checked on the trophy for the date,thought it was a couple of years ago it was 2015.........
For those not in the know, a link below regarding the No8
https://www.rifleman.org.uk/Enfield_Rifle_No.8.html
the fact that England has apparently banned DEMILITERIZED firearms as MACHINE GUNS...... makes the hope of saving priceless rifles like these No. 8's.. To be well like, trying to make male unicorns have children with each other
That's a rather ambiguous statement, would you care to enlarge on it please?Quote:
Originally Posted by pocketshaver
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Originally Posted by Strangely Brown
It is amazing how many 'non-Brits' seem to KNOW that the potential sale is controlled by the UK Government, and some even state that it is EU law.
Non seem to realise that it is the UN (to which we have all signed up to - including Clinton & Obama)
last year I was doing some online hunting for Enfield rifles. It turned out that a DEMILITERIZED enfield, one that was typically given the UK demil process of
1. weld firing pin hole with firing pin in fired spot and snipping protruding part of firing pin off
2. lodge and weld a piece of rod inside the chamber
were still safe to be turned into a safe to use 22 hornet through the use of a barrel liner, and the bolt body could be repaired and converted for the hornet.
I ran across a little information page from the UK where an anti government/common sense law activist was discussing a new anti crime policy the british government wanted to pass in order to stop illegal guns from getting into the hands of what the UK government calls out as "racist white people". The law was supposed to be passed sometime last year, and would have made it illegal to purchase and own DEMILITERIZED guns, because the UK government thought that a criminal in the UK would spend 5-800 euros on one of these non firing guns, and someone be able to make it into a fully firing machinegun. When they could simply drive the chunnel, buy an illegal weapon for LESS in france or Germany, and drive back home with it.
Absolute rubbish - do you have a link to that document that you found ?Quote:
Originally Posted by pocketshaver
I very much doubt the Government would remain the Government for very long if the started using terms like "racist white people".
We do not use the term 'demiliterized' we use 'deactivated' and a deactivated weapon CANNOT be un-deactivated.
The law that came into effect in December 2019 was to actually formalise the purchase / sale / registration of Deactivated firearms - NOT to make ownership illegal.
It sounds as if you have been reading some weird underground tabloid news-sheet.
You may find the attached of interest showing part of what needs to be done to de-activate a firearm.
The Law was brought in as an EU Directive which sought to increase the standard to which many firearms were deactivated in EU Countries , many of which were far less deactivated than UK Standards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan de Enfield
This came about following the Charlie Hebdo attack in France when 'Deactivated' VZ58's were reactivated and used in the attack. At that time, French standards allowed deactivation by simply drilling the front of the chamber and welding in a rod, which then allowed the firing of blanks in the firearm. This was simply removed and the holes welded up in the Charlie Hebdo guns.
So the UK inherited the EU's knee jerk reaction and much more destructive Deact standards as a result, along with the registration and restriction on selling unless they were upgraded to the newer EU Deact standards.
I think one of the major problems is that target and sport shooting get's absolutely no media attention; so exists under the radar of the general public. But any crime involving an illegally owned firearm gets a lot of media attention.
So the general public are fed anti gun sentiment by the press; which result's in the "gun owners equals criminals" equation.
Target and sport shooting needs to up it's profile; get more people taking up the sport. More TV coverage of sporting events; instead of just the Olympics every 4 years.
How many sports can you compete with equal opportunity with regard to age or gender? both my wife and my 9 year old daughter enjoy target shooting with our No8 rifles. It is a great sport for youngster's; they learn self control, firearm safety, following rules, respect and concentration. All things that will serve them well.
Instead scrapping these rifles; they would be better served educating a new generation of firearms enthusiasts. It's got to be better than an X-Box!
It's not our fault/problem in the UK if some countries in continental Europe, especially eastern Europe, have lax gun laws. By UK definition a deactivated firearm that is still capable of discharging any ammunition, even blank ammunition, is not a deactivated firearm.Quote:
Originally Posted by pocketshaver
The E.U. should be focusing on E.U. countries that have relaxed laws and attitudes on firearms and on securing it's borders.
The E.U.'s interference in the UK's already high standard of deactivation just made life difficult for everyone concerned, dealers and collectors alike.
The USA never ratified the UN Small Arms Treaty when it was signed by Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State during the Obummer administration. Trump's UN ambassador and former Governor of South Carolina, Nikki Haley, removed the USA from the treaty. Most realize that our firearms import/export laws are some of the most stringent in the world anyhow.
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Originally Posted by pocketshaver
Always with the negative waves Pocketsaver, always with the negative waves....
if the chamber has been obliterated... would even a dumb thug in England try to use that enfiled?Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying10uk
even a drunk irish ira recruit wudna be dumb enough
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Originally Posted by pocketshaver
As I thought !
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Regards,
Doug
I once read that certain paints carry an ITAR number; it that true Brian?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Dick