Waltham Canadian Issue Pocket Watch. Value?

HELP!!! I have a line on a Waltham 8 day pocket watch, marked to the Canadian military. I'm not totally unlearned about commonwealth militaria, but this is out of my wheelhouse completely. I have no idea of scarcity, fair market value, etc. It seems to be in good condition and back is inscribed C.S., under that is T.P., and under that is 895C and C-broad arrow. So you gentlemen out there, any thoughts? As an aside, in this estate sale is huge whack of military watches, different makers, German, U.S., and British and even a few instrument panel watches. I'm drooling but I don't have deep enough pockets nor ideas about how much to bid.

Well, I now have further questions for you guys. I bid on, and won, the Waltham watch and another pocket watch, Canadian marked. This one was sold with the sticker "for Sherman Tank". I've tried to do a little research, but the only watch I saw for the Sherman had a magnetic base. I'm attaching pics with the backs showing the C-broad arrow. Any input guys? Ideas of value, scarcity, places to search for information? Any information would be most appreciated.

Value between £200 - £400 if all working and its the best lucky chaser on the day gets the watch, Canadian ones do fetch slightly mire if so marked.

Let’s see the inside, please. The backs should unscrew.
I doubt the Waltham is an 8 day watch. The are both General Service Temporary Pattern or Time Piece(depending on who you ask). They were used for artillery, comparing etc. They’re not particularly rare but, the Canadian marked ones I think are a little harder to find. Interesting watches and the American companies seamed to have made a lot of them for the Commonwealth. I’ve also noticed they seamed to have made a lot of them with black dials.
Try to find a copy of this book, it has quite a few of these pocket watches in it.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...07eplist-1.jpg

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Originally Posted by Gil Boyd

Value between £200 - £400 if all working and its the best lucky chaser on the day gets the watch, Canadian ones do fetch slightly mire if so marked.

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Thank you. I'll be picking these up on Saturday and have a chance to give them a good once-over. You'll note the pics of the back show the "C-broad arrow", so they're both military issue. I believe the Waltham is a 3 day, but the other is marked as an 8 day. I wish I'd have had deeper pockets. There had to be 30-40 military watches in auction representing Germany, England, the U.S., and the 2 Canadian ones I got. I'd bid on a British naval issue pocket with the chain but without an idea of value, I was reluctant to risk more than I bid.

The beauty of these fine pieces, is, once you have established who made it, it is exactly that, collecting time pieces by makes names.
If you haven't got one by a certain maker you buy it for your collection. But that of course depends on how far you want to go.
They will NEVER lose their value. If they are immaculate and have provenance they command even more especially with an original chain!

Thank you all! I picked up the watches today and I'm pleased. Both function and keep time just fine and the crystals are not cloudy or scratched. I still have a couple of questions though. I'm assuming the serial numbers on the watches are inventory numbers? First, the Waltham. I've taken some better pics (I hope) than the ones provided by the auctioneer. As you will note, the numerals are discoloured. I'm assuming they were radium painted and over time they've lost the illumination properties. Does anyone know how these were allocated to different units? I'm assuming army rather than air force or navy. On the inside of the screw-off back, it says "Sturdy Nickel Silver" and a serial number. What I had assumed to be scratches are actually very fine numbers and letters in 5 locations around the rim of the back. Maybe dates when the watch was serviced and by whom? It's a 17 jewel movement and in very nice shape. I'm still scratching my head over the one sold as "8 day Sherman Tank watch". Issued to a member of an armoured unit? Part of the inventory of a tank's equipment? On a nice note, the serial number on the back is also engraved on the bottom of the case. Curiously, there are 3 neatly abraded areas; on the movement, the inside of the back, and on the face just below the 12. I'm assuming a makers name has been carefully removed. By whom and why? I'm hoping someone can answer that. On the inside of the back there's an oval with the words "metal-extra blanc-garanti". So, with the new pics and information, can any of you shed any light on what exactly I've got my hands on? A better approximation of value? The only visible flaw is an open seam in the case back on the white faced watch. It looks like some idiot tried to pry the case open not realizing it was a screw back. It doesn't affect function but it is cosmetically unappealing and could probably be easily repaired by someone who knows what they're doing, but it probably degrades the value a little. On a good note, the C-broad arrow stamps denoting Canadian issue are clearly visible.

Thank you all! I picked up the watches today and I'm pleased. Both function and keep time just fine and the crystals are not cloudy or scratched. I still have a couple of questions though. I'm assuming the serial numbers on the watches are inventory numbers? First, the Waltham. I've taken some better pics (I hope) than the ones provided by the auctioneer. As you will note, the numerals are discoloured. I'm assuming they were radium painted and over time they've lost the illumination properties. Does anyone know how these were allocated to different units? I'm assuming army rather than air force or navy. On the inside of the screw-off back, it says "Sturdy Nickel Silver" and a serial number. What I had assumed to be scratches are actually very fine numbers and letters in 5 locations around the rim of the back. Maybe dates when the watch was serviced and by whom? It's a 17 jewel movement and in very nice shape. I'm still scratching my head over the one sold as "8 day Sherman Tank watch". Issued to a member of an armoured unit? Part of the inventory of a tank's equipment? On a nice note, the serial number on the back is also engraved on the bottom of the case. Curiously, there are 3 neatly abraded areas; on the movement, the inside of the back, and on the face just below the 12. I'm assuming a makers name has been carefully removed. By whom and why? I'm hoping someone can answer that. On the inside of the back there's an oval with the words "metal-extra blanc-garanti". So, with the new pics and information, can any of you shed any light on what exactly I've got my hands on? A better approximation of value? The only visible flaw is an open seam in the case back on the white faced watch. It looks like some idiot tried to pry the case open not realizing it was a screw back. It doesn't affect function but it is cosmetically unappealing and could probably be easily repaired by someone who knows what they're doing, but it probably degrades the value a little.

Somewhere I still have the ex-military pocket watch that my father purchased as surplus in the late 1940's for his first job working on a farm. In those days it was common for farm workers to use pocket watches tied to their waist belt because working on a farm in the 1940's UK meant hard manual work. A wrist watch would have quickly been smashed and post WW2 there were plenty of ex-military pocket watches for sale as surplus. The farm were my father first worked in the late 1940's was still using horses for farm work.

The watch was later used by my father while taking part in motor sport in the late 1950's and early 1960's.

If I can refind the said watch, I will post photos.

The Waltham watch appears identical type to that shown in Steve Houghton's British Sniper book. Shown as part of WWII sniper kit!

Yep, thats why it always makes me smile, why the cleaning bottle and brush make more than a decent Waltham watch it makes NO sense ;)

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The Waltham watch appears identical type to that shown in Steve Houghton's British Sniper book. Shown as part of WWII sniper kit!

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Thank you. Considering that I'll probably take these to the upcoming militaria show, presupposing we're social distancing has been relaxed, I won't spend money on a book that I really don't need. I'm too old to enter into another field of collecting, and I'm actually divesting myself of things that I've acquired over the years. Research is proving to be challenging. I'm curious as to why the makers name was removed from the 3 areas on the white-faced one.

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I'm assuming a makers name has been carefully removed. By whom and why? I'm hoping someone can answer that.

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I'm curious as to why the makers name was removed from the 3 areas on the white-faced one.

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If I had to guess and after some considerable time spent in the military system watching these things...I'd guess that watch was stolen out of the system. The cover shows the beginning of a serial number, a "2", and the identifying marks... So the new owner could carry it with impunity. Watches were "C" class for us, expendable but controlled or they'd all be gone.

Well, I've picked up a little more info on the Waltham. The "G.S.T.P." apparently stands for General Service Time Piece and there is speculation that it may have been part of a sniper's load-out. The white faced one may well be a Girard Perregaux. It may be, as browningautorifle suggests, that this was done to conceal the origins if it was purloined, illegally, from the military. Of curious interest, once I was put on the trail of the watchmaker a cursory search turned up another watch with the same type of makers name removal.

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Originally Posted by browningautorifle

If I had to guess and after some considerable time spent in the military system watching these things...I'd guess that watch was stolen out of the system. The cover shows the beginning of a serial number, a "2", and the identifying marks... So the new owner could carry it with impunity. Watches were "C" class for us, expendable but controlled or they'd all be gone.

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Just an FYI, I received information from an old ex soldier. According to him, the "sterile" watch was for the No.19 wireless radio set, and others.

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Originally Posted by browningautorifle

The cover shows the beginning of a serial number, a "2",

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Looks like a "2" and then feint numbers that are larger?

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Originally Posted by lawrence_n

Just an FYI, I received information from an old ex soldier.

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I AM and old soldier...Ex would mean I'm back in. Ex soldier...no such thing, once in never out. Anyway, I would withdraw the idea of a pilfered watch if you can show several the same disfigurement.

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Originally Posted by Flying10uk

Looks like a "2" and then feint numbers that are larger?

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Here again at 400%...

Finally, a light comes on! Here's what I've discovered thus far. I now understand why the watch was listed by the auctioneer as being "Sherman tank watch". Thanks to an old British soldier, I found out that some radio sets had the provision for mounting a pocket watch on the face. It was a 2 pc. black ring, the back of which was screwed to the face of the left of the radio set and the front piece threaded on to it. The watch would be wound, put in the holder, and then the face ring threaded on. Presumably, this watch came out of the estate of some veteran Armoured Corps radio operator (hence the Sherman tank attribution). From the pics I've managed to find, there were many different models of watch used and not all were "sterilized". I'm hoping that when I get full access to a military watch collectors site I joined, I'll get all the information I need. Here's a pic I managed to download.

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I found out that some radio sets had the provision for mounting a pocket watch on the face

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That I would believe, so the operator had correct time for the radio log.

I am sure you are being careful when removing the back or otherwise exposing the faces of radium-painted dials and hands- although they do not glow anymore, they are still radioactive and leave radioactive dust that is freed upon opening them. Use ventilation and caution.

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I am sure you are being careful when removing the back or otherwise exposing the faces of radium-painted dials and hands- although they do not glow anymore, they are still radioactive and leave radioactive dust that is freed upon opening them. Use ventilation and caution.

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Thank you for the cautionary, but the face can't be exposed without removing the works or the crystal, and when opening the back, I'm careful. I only did it once, outside, to expose the movement and take pictures so I think I'm safe.

WELL! I think I've nailed down the white-faced watch (kinda) which leaves finding out more about the Waltham. There's been speculation that it may have been part of a sniper's kit. I know the RCAF used exactly the same watch, but the example I saw was marked "RCAF" on the back. I'm assuming this one was army issue due to the GSTP stamp, but perhaps someone can clarify that. What blew me away was the RCAF watch sold for $950.!!! I've obviously got more research to do and more information to gather before I put this up on the market, but that was a shocker.

Production date of the Waltham is about 1940 and is a model 1908 Crescent St. with press in jewels.

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Production date of the Waltham is about 1940 and is a model 1908 Crescent St. with press in jewels.

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Thank you sir! Every bit of information helps. I've joined a military watch group but as a new member, I have to wait 2 weeks to get full access. Hopefully, I'll be able to get a lot more information from them.