Printable View
Greetings All
Working away on the .22 book and I have hit a bump.
NZ received 500 .22 Pattern 1914 No.2's, my example, like most, was rebarreled but the butt marking disc was removed and patched over.
I need pictures of the body markings and the original butt disc for the book of these rifles ONLY. Thanks in advance for sharing but I am trying to see if I can rough out the NZ rack number range for these rifles.
Many thanks all!
Lance, mine has the butt disc, rebarreled by ag parker, all numbers matching. Do you want pictures of all markings?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance
Please, yours sounds interesting!
Oops I read you post too quickly. Mine is a no.2 mkIV with NZ markings. Far more common than what you are looking for.
I've attempted to attach a couple pictures regardless.
I think mine is Australian marked but my .22 SR Mk III is NZ
These are nice and are helpful, is there any buttstock markings on your rifle (Australian?)Quote:
Originally Posted by StratA
---------- Post added at 06:23 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:21 AM ----------
It will take them if you have pictures, I am working on NZ currently but Australia is one of my next chapters.Quote:
Originally Posted by tatou
Lance,
More pictures like StratA's rifle just in case it's helpful.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/918454250
Brian B
Thanks, if that rifle was a bit cheaper....
5 more pics attached. No Australian markings that I can discern. The date on the barrel knox is '29. Underside of the wrist is a 52 and, just below,
P-H
1941
Opposite side of the knox has 5400 in line with that same number on the receiver. Same number stamped twice on the top underside of the forend. (The wood split when the number was stamped so it looks like it was simply re-done.)
The magazine is correct for the rifle with .22 stamped on one side.
Many thanks, is there a marking disc in the buttstock? Second are there any markings on the other side of the barrel?
The marking disc is the usual brass with brass screw but not marked on the side that is showing. I can remove it and check the flip side. The picture of the opposite side of the barrel was too large to attach but there's only the serial number of 5400 inline with the serial re-numbering of 5400 on the receiver.
The last time I removed all of the wood was probably 20 years ago. I can tear it down if you think there might be something of value to you but it'll take me a few days to get to it. The stock is in good condition but, obviously, a century old.
If it is of use I'm happy to take better photos as well.
Edit: the nose cap is serialed to the rifle (5400) as is the ladder sight.
Yes, a picture tells a thousand words and isn't filtered through impression, opinion or ignorance. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by StratA
Please do not tear her apart I think I have all that I need, many thanks again!Quote:
Originally Posted by StratA
My apologies Lance... for some reason i said a No2 when in fact it's a No1... my bad. (Alzheimer is kicking in)...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance
They still might be of some help, so here's pics of the .22 Pattern 1914 No.1 with Australian Land Service & Defence Department stamps.
Attachment 123796Attachment 123797Attachment 123798Attachment 123799
And here's pics of the .22 Short Rifle Mk III with New Zealand Marking.
Hope they help.
Attachment 123800Attachment 123801Attachment 123802Attachment 123803
Thanks for the pictures, do not worry I have "CRS" also! This is another reason why I am writing stuff down now!
:lol: I have a photographic memory... I can remember something i saw 10 years ago but i have the memory of a goldfish for numbers and dates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance
My desk is full of small notes everywhere and i keep a ''black book'' for small notes and things to remember.
Which is why i love reference books ;)
Some more, for posterity, as requested.
And, no, this magazine isn't fitted to this rifle.
You anyway have them, but thought they should belong into this thread anyway as well (since from the original thread years back when I posted the rifle they are gone).
Oh, if you need pictures of the Parker-Hiscock Magazine, I have two of them as well. Attached are also pictures of one that I once had shown in here too, of course pictures gone too.
My fault. Lance didn't ask for the magazine picture, I just figured it fit with the thread and there might interest to the members here.
I also have a Cond rifle that was converted to a NZ MkIV trainer, as well as one of the original 500 Patt 14 trainers, however all mine I restored from barreled actions so much information is lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by tatou
Sadly yes, but I have found that "most" Patt'14 were retired and brought back for WW II. Can you check for a number on the breech and dates on the barrel '27/'29 on the left and 1941-ish on the left?
Lance,Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance
This one popped up tonight:
https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/923865279
Hope this helps,
Brian
Thanks, it does!
I saw that rifle yesterday. I haven't placed a bid yet because I wanted to check some books first. I would like to bid, but I don't want to compete with anyone on the board. Anyone bid on that? If not, I will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian B
I wouldn't worry about it, it's already been done. Best man wins at auction...Quote:
Originally Posted by dg2004
I offered because some folks here have been helpful to me.
This might be of interest: I stumbled into another rare rifle. - Topic
I bid on the rifle and won. It was a little spendy, but I was willing to pay more because of the antique receiver and NZ markings.
Lance, if you want more or different pictures of it, I can take some once I receive the rifle.
Yes please, I need one specifically. Drop me a PM when you get her! Thanks
Will do.
I found a rifle you are asking about. I will send pictures tomorrow. Butt disc is 4/41 / AR 12 / 18. buttstock flat is marked, "NZ M R."
Attachment 125020Attachment 125021Attachment 125022Attachment 125023
I think this is what you are looking for. If published, please acknowledge the P. M. R. Breakey collection.
Many thanks for digging it out, it is a beautiful example. I assume was rebarreled also in 1941 using a 1929 production barrel.
I have "located" over a dozen of the NZ .22 Pattern 1914 No. 2, all have been upgraded to .22 Short Mk IV*, all have been rebarreled and all have had their original marking disc replaced or removed.
If any of the 1922 order of 500 NZ .22 Pattern 1914 No. 2 survived without conversion I have not found one yet!
I pulled the short handguard and confirmed barrel markings. 1929 dated barrel installed April 1941. best, p.
Hello,
last week my NZ .22 rifle arrived! Any information on this rifle is welcome!
Attachment 125936Attachment 125937Attachment 125938Attachment 125939Attachment 125940Attachment 125941Attachment 125942
This one came in & went out within a few days last month, all matching numbers & AGP marked butt
I saw one converted to no5 for auction a few days ago. I did not see the final price but the prebidding was at 450$.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mnmkeller
Could it have been a real No5 .22rf Trainer ?
Very few made.
https://www.rifleman.org.uk/Enfield_Rifle_No.5.html
A few years ago I saw one sold at auction that had the bolt jammed into the bolt-way (or the action was twisted) it made a "fortune" (cannot remember how much but it was 'many 100s' of GB pounds plus 25% buyers premium to add onto the hammer price)
It was definitely converted. They had good images and you could see the original markings had been struck through for the conversion.
Unfortunately the online portion was prebidding only so I have no idea of the final price.
So much for a 22lr to go with my NZ mk1*.
Very nice rifle you have there. Originally (most likely as it is unreadable) a BSA MLM Mark II it was converted at Enfield in 1905 to a SMLE Converted Mark II, later around 1907 it was then upgraded again to a SMLE Converted Mark II*. Around 1913-14 it returned to Enfield and was converted to a .22 Short Rifle Mark III that at some time (still unknown) it was sent to New Zealand. In 1922 New Zealand rebarreled approximately 500 of these rifles. At the end of 1923 Britain declared the .22 Short Rifle obsolete therefore New Zealand just hand stamped a Roman numeral "IV*" on the rifle "upgrading" it. When this was done is also unknown but as it includes an asterisk it most likely occurred in late 1925.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank LE
Your rifle has one of the highest rack numbers for this "type" of NZ trainer!
Please pull the handguard and post pictures of the barrel shank markings. I noticed your magazine is stamped .22 as well. Is it empty?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank LE
Magazine is empty.
Attachment 126117