They shot Trump

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Originally Posted by Aragorn243

140 yards away

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This tells me the guy on the roof likely played too much call of duty - the tacticool type that gets kicked out of the range for spraying one mag dump after another all over the place.
I haven't seen a picture yet showing the vantage point, but my instinct was how did he miss? Even if with iron sights (don't know yet what he was using), he couldn't ask for a better position, and a rather large stationary target too. Maybe he didn't plan for getting lots of sweat in his eyes. That metal roof would have been cooking him. Then again, don't know how long he was up there.

It's a miracle he wasn't killed.

A still from todays news shows a bullet trace just behind Trumps head Rt side looking from the left so the round was very close to taking him out.
Had it hit something then it would have fragmented or deflected but in the still its like a straight line on or about his eye level behind his head.

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Originally Posted by ssgross

Then again, don't know how long he was up there.

It's a miracle he wasn't killed.

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There was a witness who says he watched the shooter climb up there with the rifle and tried to get the police to act. He described the event as happening over two-to-four minutes. He waved his hands at the counter-sniper guys and pointed out the shooter. He says they saw the guy but didn't shoot until he did. Of course, we have to take in these reports and withhold judgement until we have a little more info.

Bob

Yes I imagine some heads will roll in the secret service for even allowing this type of thing to occur. Trump is lucky I think only because the guy was a bad shot. It is unthinkable to me that a guy can be seen crawling with a rifle up to the roof for 4 minutes and they never took Trump immediately off the stage. Them waiting for him to shoot first tells me that they were confused and maybe thought he was part of their team, but they still should have took Trump off the stage at the very moment they were aware of him on the roof, at least until they could figure out who it was or what was going on

Poor show all way 'round.

I watched the numerous videos of the Secret Service guys, and am of the opinion that they were trying to acertain if the guy was an innocent bystander before taking a shot.

I suspect that they thought they controlled the high ground and had command over the buildings that the shooter used.

Alternately with all of the differnt police agencies present there was a major communication failure, and/or someone was out of assigned position and the position the shooter used was supposed to be occupied by security.

From the videos I've watched, it appears the two snipers had him in their sights and were watching him. I see no excuse here for him getting a shot off. People are acting like they are heroes but they acted too late and after the fact. Had he not missed, Trump would be dead because of their inaction. The first guy actually seemed to jerk back in surprise as the guy fired.

They keep saying he had a AR style rifle which means that unless he had a five round magazine in it, it's going to sit pretty high with the guy shooting prone and it isn't going to look like a camera.

Police have to make split second decisions and, unfortunately, people are very quick to blame the police when the police kill a person by accident and the police officer involved may end up in court charged with murder. We don't know enough details about this case to judge whether or not the police were too slow to act at this stage.

The sad part is the volunteer firefighter who lost his life.

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Originally Posted by Flying10uk

Police have to make split second decisions and, unfortunately, people are very quick to blame the police when the police kill a person by accident and the police officer involved may end up in court charged with murder. We don't know enough details about this case to judge whether or not the police were too slow to act at this stage.

The sad part is the volunteer firefighter who lost his life.

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But this wasn't the police, this was the secret service! The secret service is supposed to know every position of every counter sniper on their team and everyone in between having to do with security. Wherever the secret service is, is supposed to be one of the safest areas on the planet, that's how good they are or are supposed to be. There is no excuse for the shooter being able to get on that roof much less get a shot off. I bet before long we start hearing about voluntary resignations from top officials in the secret service having to do with Trump's security

Another indication of a possible lapse is in the video of how they got him off the stage. It looks as if the egress route off the stage was only wide enough for 1 person, maybe 2 tops. The evacuation was clearly stalled while the agents fumbled to figure out how to get off the stage whilst still surrounding him.