They shot Trump

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[Aragorn243]

He's OK, shooter is dead, one rally attendee killed, possibly two others wounded. Trump rushed to the Hospital with blood coming from his right ear and running down his face. Pumped his fist to the crowd as the Secret Service pushed him to the vehicle.

[Bob Womack]

This is obviously horrific. I'm sitting by my TV, as I did when JFK and RFK were killed.

Please, let's keep this non-political so that the conversation can happen. Thank you.

Bob

[Aragorn243]

Yeah, now we just wait. It is aggravating that they won't release information as they have it and allow the media and everyone else to just guess about everything. Eric Trump says his Dad is "The toughest guy I ever met". But that doesn't really tell us much. They are now saying that the PA State Police are saying a bullet hit the teleprompter and glass is what struck the President. Prior to this they had been saying Trump was grazed by a bullet. First a man's wife was killed, then it is a man that was killed. They just don't know.

I've seen a video of a guy in urban camo lying still (dead?) on a metal roof (barn) and reports that it was a AR style rifle from outside the rally.

Trump says he heard a wizzing sound and felt the bullet go through his ear.

[Bob Womack]

I'm looking at the Google satellite photo of the site. The series of rooftops from which the shots came is fairly long so the range looks to be from 200 to 350 yards. The body of the shooter was behind the peak of one of those roofs so he shot from a defilated position on the former president's right. You can see the people at the top of the bleachers behind the podium looking that way when they get back up. Before they got former president Trump up, the call came in, "shooter down, shooter down," so it was that quick. There are pics of the counter-sniper team who apparently took the sniper out and they appear to be after the shot.

Bob

[Flying10uk]

counter-sniper team

Do you think that the reports of a "2nd shooter" were actually a member of the counter sniper team?

[Bob Womack]

Do you think that the reports of a "2nd shooter" were actually a member of the counter sniper team?

I really don't know. I've got a friend who went onto a rooftop near a Vice President Bush appearance who looked down at his chest and saw the laser beam from the Secret Service counter-terrorist sniper. They didn't take the shot and my friend expeditiously left the roof.

Bob

[MAC702]

I've done a lot of precision rifle shooting, and know a lot of so-called snipers. NONE of them use a laser sight for "work." That **** is for the movies.

Now, can I see those guys having a laser pointer handy to make their presence known? Yeah.

[Aragorn243]

They identified the guy as Thomas Matthew Crooks from a town about an hour away from the rally. He was 20, registered as a Republican but donated to Democrat causes. I've seen a close-up photo of the shooter dead on the roof, looks older than 20. Long hair, goatee.

Zero answers to anything yet. I've also watched a video of Trump being shot with two snipers on the roof top above and behind him aiming at this guy but not taking him out until shots were fired. So they knew he was there and did nothing. They guy they attribute to shooting him actually seems to pull back from his rifle right before Trump was hit. I'm thinking it was the second guy that actually took the shot.

140 yards away, police were notified there was a guy on the roof but obviously nothing done until he fired the shots, witnesses watched him crawl up the roof.

Three bystanders were hit. One is dead, two are critically injured. No names for any of them.

Shooters house invaded overnight, nothing reported as of this morning.

The whole video you see is very misleading. It looks like there are people seated directly behind Trump. They are actually probably 20 feet away. There is a normal sized stage likely 10 ft deep and the podium is at the front of it. Then a grassy area and then the bleachers. There is also some distance between the crowd in front of the podium and the stage. Those that were hit were most likely in another set of bleachers to Trumps let, camera right which can't be seen in the videos. This set comes forward and is perpendicular to the stage rather than parallel like the one behind.
there is also a third set of bleachers mirror imaged on the right, camera left.

Likely no teleprompter hit so the glass theory is out. Trump doesn't use them at rallies and none are seen in any of the videos, bad reporting. There is a photo showing the bullet passing behind Trump which is pretty fantastical if you ask me. I know it's theoretically possible, but it's also much more easily faked. If it is real, it's incredible.

See the chilling photo that captures bullet as it flies past Trump - nj.com

[ssgross]

140 yards away

This tells me the guy on the roof likely played too much call of duty - the tacticool type that gets kicked out of the range for spraying one mag dump after another all over the place.
I haven't seen a picture yet showing the vantage point, but my instinct was how did he miss? Even if with iron sights (don't know yet what he was using), he couldn't ask for a better position, and a rather large stationary target too. Maybe he didn't plan for getting lots of sweat in his eyes. That metal roof would have been cooking him. Then again, don't know how long he was up there.

It's a miracle he wasn't killed.