They shot Trump

[Flying10uk]

Police have to make split second decisions and, unfortunately, people are very quick to blame the police when the police kill a person by accident and the police officer involved may end up in court charged with murder. We don't know enough details about this case to judge whether or not the police were too slow to act at this stage.

The sad part is the volunteer firefighter who lost his life.

[jond41403]

Police have to make split second decisions and, unfortunately, people are very quick to blame the police when the police kill a person by accident and the police officer involved may end up in court charged with murder. We don't know enough details about this case to judge whether or not the police were too slow to act at this stage.

The sad part is the volunteer firefighter who lost his life.

But this wasn't the police, this was the secret service! The secret service is supposed to know every position of every counter sniper on their team and everyone in between having to do with security. Wherever the secret service is, is supposed to be one of the safest areas on the planet, that's how good they are or are supposed to be. There is no excuse for the shooter being able to get on that roof much less get a shot off. I bet before long we start hearing about voluntary resignations from top officials in the secret service having to do with Trump's security

[Flying10uk]

But this wasn't the police, this was the secret service!

Why did they have "Police" on their vests then if they were "Secret Service" (counter snipers)?

There does sound like an element of too many agencies involved and perhaps a breakdown in communication between them.

[jond41403]

Why did they have "Police" on their vests then if they were "Secret Service" (counter snipers)?

There does sound like an element of too many agencies involved and perhaps a breakdown in communication between them.

Again, it was not the police that took the shot regardless of what they had on their vests. The secret service are not police in the same sense. You alluded earlier that they might have been afraid to shoot him because of him being an innocent bystander because a lot of cops go to jail and get charged for that type of thing, this is nowhere near the same kind of scenario. The secret service do not have to be as careful as the police do if that makes sense. The president must be protected at all costs, Even if it means the secret service mowing down and innocent civilian

[Flying10uk]

Again, it was not the police that took the shot regardless of what they had on their vests.

How are you so sure of this?

There is sometimes a difference between what is supposed to happen and what does happen.

[Aragorn243]

It was the Secret Service that took the shot. While this is a confusing mess, that is one thing we are sure of.

[Surpmil]

It was the Secret Service that took the shot. While this is a confusing mess, that is one thing we are sure of.

Local police are now claiming that one of theirs (also) fired at the shooter. I thought it was strange the disassembly of the venue began the next day before any sort of investigation could begin on site. Or has the podium and the bleachers behind it been left in place?

The direction a bullet is fired from can often be determined by following its track through solid material, just like a dummy head used in the trenches of WWI.

[jond41403]

Why did they have "Police" on their vests then if they were "Secret Service" (counter snipers)?

There does sound like an element of too many agencies involved and perhaps a breakdown in communication between them.

Because secret service where police vests, black suits, plain clothes, and various other uniforms. They don't all wear the same uniforms like a ball team

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If the safety of law enforcement officers that are being asked to go onto a roof is being considered then I believe that is a reasonable consideration. It is not just the risk of falling off a roof but also the risk of falling through a roof. It all depends on a number of different variables such as the type of roof material, how strong the roof is, how many people are on the roof , etc etc.

It is not a reasonable consideration by the secret service director to not put agents on that roof because of a slope,it's ludicrous

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How are you so sure of this?

There is sometimes a difference between what is supposed to happen and what does happen.

I am sure the same way everybody else on here is sure. From the very beginning the secret service said they had the inner perimeter and the police had the outer perimeter. The snipers behind Trump's stage with the police vests on were obviously on the inner perimeter which should tell anybody they were secret service. They are not going to trust police snipers enough to put them right behind Trump. Anything that close to him is going to be reserved for secret service only.

[MAC702]

They are not going to trust police snipers enough to put them right behind Trump. Anything that close to him is going to be reserved for secret service only.

The weirdest part of all this is how the guy missed at only 140 yards. That's actually pretty close.

[jond41403]

The weirdest part of all this is how the guy missed at only 140 yards. That's actually pretty close.

Has anybody heard of any reports on if the shooter used an optic or anything? The articles I read just mentioned the brand and caliber but mentions nothing about if any optics were used. Still though, even with iron sights that should have been a relatively easy shot.