Identifying .22 Enfield bolt assy?

[30Three]

Gents, I came across this .22 Enfield bolt assy on the french Naturabuy site (see link)
It's not a No 8 and not No2 MkIV*
Unfortunately I do not own a No7 or No9 to compare. I was trying to identify it using Skennertons bible to help. It looks a lot like the No5 .22 trials rifle bolt; but there not great photos in the book.

ENFIELD- Culasse en 22 LR - Pièces détachées de fusils de collection (3395015)

The seller does not know what it is. I thought that if it's rare, someone here may need it!

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[Peter Laidler]

I think that you've got it in one. The No5 type trials rifle

[fjruple]

Actually look like a complete British No 7 MKI .22LR repeater bolt. As I have two of these rifles.

--fjruple

[Peter Laidler]

If you look hard, there is no auxiliary spring to support the case as it is fed into the chamber as on the No7.

As I understand it, nobody ever really came up with the reason for this aux spring. So said, it was to prevent the live cartridge from mis-aligning as it entered the chamber and firing as the edge of the recessed breech face nicked the rim. One of the RAF Armourers here (FlSgt Trevor A------) an Armourer of the era who had a load of RAF Cadet No7's under his wing while it was an RAF base said that it was to prohibit hand loading straight into the chamber instead of from the magazine - a totally prohibited practice I have been assured. But I don't think so somehow! He did confirm that if this aux spring was bent inwards, it could cause a 'slam-fire'.

Anyone else got any ideas

[30Three]

Thanks for the replies Gent's.

Looking at the poor photos in Skennerton's book, the No7 bolt head appears to not have the angled section machined, however this may just be not visible due to the angle of the photo.
The seller does not know what it's for; but I think it's expensive at 130 Euros if the rifle is unobtaibale. Maybe worth it if you need a spare!
I would be interested to know how it got to France.

[fjruple]

If you look hard, there is no auxiliary spring to support the case as it is fed into the chamber as on the No7.

As I understand it, nobody ever really came up with the reason for this aux spring. So said, it was to prevent the live cartridge from mis-aligning as it entered the chamber and firing as the edge of the recessed breech face nicked the rim. One of the RAF Armourers here (FlSgt Trevor A------) an Armourer of the era who had a load of RAF Cadet No7's under his wing while it was an RAF base said that it was to prohibit hand loading straight into the chamber instead of from the magazine - a totally prohibited practice I have been assured. But I don't think so somehow! He did confirm that if this aux spring was bent inwards, it could cause a 'slam-fire'.

Anyone else got any ideas

Peter--

You are quite right I did not catch that.

--fjruple

[tr63]

Peter and Mike take a look at the bolt again it has the cut on the left hand side for the spring steel , used to support the .22 case . As I was told, this this spring steel was to hold the case firmly against the extractor when the bolt was opened and drawn back so that it would not leave the bolt face before striking the ejector. I have a No7 British trainer that is missing this part and the case will not all ways stay on to the bolt so the case can be knocked out of the action . Mike are you still at Dix ?

[Bruce_in_Oz]

The problem with the prices of items like this is closely related to the inescapable fact that they ain't making them anymore.

What is the difference between a rifle" sans bolt" and a complete one? Expensive club vs???

As always, "Caveat emptor" applies.