Two Bavarian M1 Carbines.

[drm2m]

On the left side of the receiver rail there is a “black substance” that has
covered the location where the Bavarian agency markings once appeared.
The black substance covering the original agency markings indicates it was used in Bavaria.
No other German or Austrian agency put their agency marking where the black finish is located .


Specific Bavarian carbine markings;

2099 stamped on the bolt top.



2099 on the operating slide.




2099 stamped on the top rear of the trigger housing.




2099 stamped in the stock sling recess.




2099 stamped on the under-side of the handguard.





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Barrel Type 2 Inland Div. General Motors 12-43
Front Sight type 1 N (Inland)
Barrel Band type 1A UI on band & swivel (Union Hardware Co. of Torrington, CT for Inland),
Serial # 4882099
Slide type 5 PI (Packard Manufacturing Co. of Indianapolis for Inland)
Stock type 2 OI (S.E. Overton Co. for Inland)
Handguard type 1 OI (S.E. Overton Co. for Inland)
Buttplate (Inland)
Receiver type 2 Inland Div.
Rear Sight type 1 S on left, no mark on right, no mark on leaf
Recoil Plate type 2 or 3 RO-Q (H.B. Rouse & Co.of Chicago for Quality Hardware)
Bolt type 2 AI (Inland)
Trigger Housing type 3 Inland (vertically)
Trigger ???
Sear type 2 RI (Reece Button Hole Machine Co. of Boston for Inland)
Hammer type 3 NI (National Cash Register Co. of Dayton for Inland)
Safety type 3 EPB (Eaton Pond Co. of Springfield, MA for IBM)
Magazine Catch type 3 HI (H&R Machine Co. for Inland)


Neither the trigger housing nor the bolt was disassembled, so I do not know the markings on the components.

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This carbine was first used by the Bavaria Rural Police. It is one of 900 carbines sold by Bavaria to Baden-Württemberg Landespolizei in 1955.

It bears the marks of this agency on the underside of the trigger guard. WB-LP-2265.
(Württemberg Landespolizei.- the Württemberg inventory number is 2265)

The Landespolizei and Rural Police carried out many of the same duties in their respective states and this gun shows markings from both agencies.

A verithane type finish was put on the stock, probably during its stay in Württemberg.
The black oxide finish on the receiver and barrel was probably done in Bavaria.


Specific Bavarian markings on this carbine:


Bavaria Rural Police marking.





Baden-Württemberg Landespolizei markings.











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This gun is a bit of a mixmaster...all part of her history I guess.

Serial # 769723
Barrel Group;
Type 2; Inland Div General Motors
7-43
Front sight; Type 1 marked S
Barrel Band; Type 1A
Gas housing: marked I-I for Inland.
Operating Slide; Type 5 7160091 Ordnance Part #.
Underside of slide marking: .U. for Underwood.

Stock Group;
Stock ;Type 1; RMC; (Rock-Ola)
Handguard; Type 1; M-U (Marlin Firearms Co. for Underwood)
Buttplate; Later style Inland.

Receiver Group;
Receiver ; Type 2; Inland Div, SG on left side of the receiver (Saginaw Gear for Inland Div.)
Rear Sight; Type 1; “S” on left side no mark on right side.
Recoil Plate; Marked DI (Dayton Mold Co. of Dayton,OH. For Inland.)

Bolt Group;
Bolt : Type 2,
Bolt Marking: N 14 (National Postal Meter)
Ejector; ?
Extractor; ?
Extractor Plunger;?
Firing Pin; ?


Trigger Group;
Trigger Housing Type IV; BE-B (used by Standard Products and I.B.M.)
Trigger; ?
Sear; ?
Hammer; Type 2’ LT-Q (Ludlow Typograph Co. of Chicago for Quality Hardware.
Safety; type 2 or type 3.
Magazine Catch; Type 1A marked .U. for Underwood.


NOTE:
Neither the trigger housing nor the bolt was disassembled, so I do not know the markings on the components.

Jim Mock was instrumental in helping with me with this process.

For anyone that has an interest in the “Bavarian carbines” that were
used in post war Germany and Austria you will find his web site “most interesting”…..take a look!

The link is below.


Home Page


David

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[kikokat]

Very nice looking "Bavarians" David. Thanks for sharing.

I've collected a few of these over the years, and really enjoy the additional bit of history associated with them.

Jim Mock is "the man" when it comes to these carbines and their history. I've had 5 of mine featured on his web site. Jim has put in a lot of work developing his site, and, in my opinion, has developed an incredible resource concerning these weapons.

Enjoy those carbines!
John

[lambo35]

Very nice pictures, thanx.
Chuck

[drm2m]

Thanks for the comments regarding these carbines.

Not being a carbine "nut" I certainly owe a debt of thanks to Jim Mock for his help on the Bavarian stuff.....he is a hugely dedicated researcher by instinct and he has done a hell of a job on his Bavarian carbine web site.

Also great thanks to Bruce Canfield , Jim Mock and Ted Tsyme a fellow Canadian, who were great guides while I was debating whether I would purchase the 1942 dated M1A1 carbine that is the subject of an earlier thread on this forum.

David