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    Can someone identify this scope on an Enfield Enforcer?

    A collector colleague purchased an Enforcer, but it came with a unknown scope. Can someone identify it? The drawing shows the reticle, exactly the way it's visible in the scope (right, there's a bar down from top!).

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    The numbering and reticule drawing infers to me that it originates from somewhere near you or in Germanyicon, but not Schmidt & Bender
    The rifle was a Met Police rifle which I am sure you knew
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    Notice the long one piece mounting base for the scope. This is another type of mounting used on the Enforcer and I had more than one like this. There did not appear to be any serial number sequence to this type of mounting being used and they were used with PECAR scopes and PH rings.

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    looks a lot like some of the 6 and 7 power commercial scopes made post=soviet union in Russiaicon back around 7 8 years ago these were on the market, most with internal BDC for the 7.62x54R 147 grain load. Have not seen these for a while.

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    I note Warrens comment on the long dovetail and wonder how it's fixed to the abortive effort that replaces the backsight! To be honest, and speaking from the hip here......, (so you know that there's going to be some straight talking to follow.........) while I consider the original Enforcer mounting system,especially the front totally inadequate breeching-up ring mount to be dire, then this surely MUST take the biscuit.

    To be honest, I think that someone is having a laugh! It wouldn't last 10 minutes and the eye relief would crack your eye open at the first shot. There wouldn't even BE a second shot, believe me.............

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    Knowing nothing about the scope I will ask a completely unrelated question. Where is the ejector screw? It is missing in the pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gil9713 View Post
    The numbering and reticule drawing infers to me that it originates from somewhere near you or in Germanyicon, but not Schmidt & Bender

    The very fact that there is no manufacturer's name to be seen makes me seriously doubt that it is post-war German.
    The scope is fixed...
    ... in a ring
    ... on an offset block.
    ... t-slotted into another block
    ... on a dovetail rail
    ... on yet another block
    ... screwed??glued?? onto the rifle

    Seems mechanically shaky to me. Too many joins, all of which can give a bit. I seem to recognize (having done it myself!) a bit of "how can I fix this thing with what I've found in the spares bin" engineering. In my case*, the result was lousy - and I wouldn't trust that setup either.

    *Yes, it was a No. 4
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    Yep, Patrick has hit the nail firmly on the head. And, if I may say so, in a most diplomatic way. I wish I'd heard of that lovely phrase 'mechanically shaky' before. I can think of a thousand times where I could have used it

    Paul S. The 7.62mm rifles don't use a positive ejector as does the No4 rifle. Ejection is caused by the nose of the longer 7.62mm extractor pushing the spent case to the left and slightly downwards. The rim of the spent case bears against the tapering body side which in most instances will cause it to be ejected (that's the reason for the longer extended claw). If not, then the case them strikes the ejector built into the magazine case which tips it out of the rifle. Next question!

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    Tah Peter. That's another Enfield fact added to my limited knowledge bank.
    Last edited by Paul S.; 07-23-2013 at 03:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frederick303 View Post
    looks a lot like some of the 6 and 7 power commercial scopes made post=soviet union in Russiaicon back around 7 8 years ago these were on the market, most with internal BDC for the 7.62x54R 147 grain load. Have not seen these for a while.

    That was my first reaction as well. Some are good scopes, many aren't worth having.

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