Don't Want To Make Enemies

[rocky321]

I think this is a great forum with extremly knowledgable people and a wealth of information. I was just trying to tap into all that. I love reading. I call my bathroom the library. Matter of fact, I'm self taught in automotive technolgy by reading and researching to the point where I passed the ASE tests to become certified. Point being, I thought the purpose of this type forum was to share the wisdom gained over the years by each individual and maybe save on doing the leg work yourelf. I'm still new to M1's, but not to rifles/firearms in general. I had already purchased 3 books, one by Ruth, BEFORE registering on this site. I'll go with the flow. Anyway, I

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[Badger]

I think this is a great forum with extremly knowledgable people and a wealth of information. I was just trying to tap into all that. I love reading. I call my bathroom the library. Matter of fact, I'm self taught in automotive technolgy by reading and researching to the point where I passed the ASE tests to become certified. Point being, I thought the purpose of this type forum was to share the wisdom gained over the years by each individual and maybe save on doing the leg work yourelf. I'm still new to M1's, but not to rifles/firearms in general. I had already purchased 3 books, one by Ruth, BEFORE registering on this site. I'll go with the flow. Anyway, I

Ok, did I miss something?

You're being ignored or not helped by the membership how and where?

Regards,
Doug

[rocky321]

Ok, did I miss something?

You're being ignored or not helped by the membership how and where?

Regards,
Doug

Sorry, see "REAL??" posting. I should have put it there.

[Badger]

Hey partner ...

I checked the thread you mentioned...

Thread being referenced- Real?? (click here)

I think you need to relax a bit and let time work itself through.

Perhaps a bit of an explanation about what Internet sites like this are and are not. The site is free for your use and everyone who participates here, also contributes their own time for free, including out Advisory Panel members who try to help other members, as they have personal free time.

You posted your question about whether the part was real or not, at 9:24 am EST and as I type this post, it's just 3 hours later in the middle of a work day.

Many members work for a living and don't get on until later in the evening and since we're a world wide membership, there's a whole bunch of folks that are in other time zones who are sleeping while you're waiting for your answer.

We have over 14,000 registered members and about 700-800 logging in every 24 hours, because not every member logs in every day, so it could take several days for may of the members to actually read your post.

Add to that fact that not every one of those members is an M1 collector (I'm a K98k collector and my wife collects Enfields), let alone an expert enough M1 collector to be able to make a guess about whether that part is real or not, and I think you get my drift about how the numbers and demographics work to need more time to help you?

So, give your posts some time to permit a broader and more topic focus viewing audience before you jump to the conclusion nobody wants to help you ...

Hope that helps ...

Regards,
Doug

[rocky321]

Hey partner ...

I checked the thread you mentioned...

Thread being referenced- Real?? (click here)

I think you need to relax a bit and let time work itself through.

Perhaps a bit of an explanation about what Internet sites like this are and are not. The site is free for your use and everyone who participates here, also contributes their own time for free, including out Advisory Panel members who try to help other members, as they have personal free time.

You posted your question about whether the part was real or not, at 9:24 am EST and as I type this post, it's just 3 hours later in the middle of a work day.

Many members work for a living and don't get on until later in the evening and since we're a world wide membership, there's a whole bunch of folks that are in other time zones who are sleeping while you're waiting for your answer.

We have over 14,000 registered members and about 700-800 logging in every 24 hours, because not every member logs in every day, so it could take several days for may of the members to actually read your post.

Add to that fact that not every one of those members is an M1 collector (I'm a K98k collector and my wife collects Enfields), let alone an expert enough M1 collector to be able to make a guess about whether that part is real or not, and I think you get my drift about how the numbers and demographics work to need more time to help you?

So, give your posts some time to permit a broader and more topic focus viewing audience before you jump to the conclusion nobody wants to help you ...

Hope that helps ...

Regards,
Doug

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[INLAND44]

'I thought the purpose of this type forum was to share the wisdom gained over the years by each individual and maybe save on doing the leg work yourelf'

Some of that for sure, but it's not a 'Carbine WIKI' for the reasons given, particularly in regard to fake or real parts. Just hang out and read - there's plenty to learn. Since you're ASE you may get a kick out of this: on a vehicle forum, a guy asked about the apparent failure of the CVT in his Saturn VUE. It's well-documented on that forum that these trannies were a really bad idea by GM and a high percentage of them have failed. The thing is, once they fail they have to be replaced - no rebuilding - at a high cost. I guess I was feeling frisky that night so I told the guy to junk the car since it would cost more than it was worth to fix it. He replied that 'This is not the help I was looking for.' At that point, many others told him the same thing in less abrupt language. I think you got your answer in the first thread. We do like to help. Generally you find that people like nothing better than to be the first to answer a question or help a poster. You just happened to land squarely on the only sensitive area on the forum. No doubt a reference showing all the known fake parts and their real counterparts would be of use to all, but 'all' includes the humpers. And this is important because nobody wants to not only pay good money for fake parts, they also don't want to put fake parts on their valuable carbines. It's probably not going to be possible to prevent fake parts from getting into the data stream, but that is the goal.

[ulflyer]

Sort of a Catch 22 situation isn't it? The experts don't want the humpers to know, so the unwary buy humped parts thinking they are real, and eventually these parts get back in the mainstream as being on, or having come from, "real GI" guns.

[Patrick Chadwick]

Lads, I think I'm having an attack of deja vu. That's especially bad, because I can't really speak French. The topic of public disclosure has been chewed over in other areas, well away from guns, and the conclusion is always the same: keeping the general public stupid does not help. Better general knowledge acts against fakery and forgery by raising the threshold of accuracy required to pass off a fake or a forgery to the point where the criminal gives up because it does not pay. Yes, that was the word "criminal" I used just then.

It's not a joke. Applying numbers to blank parts or stamping an inspector's mark with one of those forgers stamps* that seem to be freely available in some places is, in other places, a crime. The intent is to deceive, and saying "it wouldn't fool an expert" is a self-excuse that would not help you in court if the objects being produced were, for instance, fake dollar bills. Forgery is a crime, period.

Does anyone out there really think that the general public should not be told how to detect a forged bill?

Think on't.

Patrick


*I call them forgers stamps, because I can see no legitimate use for them**.

** In fact, in the matter of currency, the making of such stamps or their possession it itself a crime.

[stickhauler]

My perspective, for what it's worth anyway, is that maybe most who actually can identify fake parts won't point out exactly what's wrong, they'll tell you if it's real or fake if asked nicely. I find it's a lot easier to deal with people if you treat them with the same level of respect that you require people treat you.

Nobody signed on here to be a 5 minute answer-man. If you can't be patient enough to allow people to take less than a few minutes to answer your question, maybe you need different help.

I've learned a lot by simply reading, and soaking in information, without demanding immediate attention to my every question. I've found that just auditing discussions answered many of the little concerns I've had about parts.

Now then, for those who believe it's their right to have immediate answers to their every question, if you'd offer a reasonable stipend to those here who are in the know, maybe they'll get right after your question of the day. Considering the fact that parts humpers can cheat you out of a few hundred dollars on certain fake parts, I'd consider being generous if I were you.

Myself, I feel blessed I found a resource that has educated me enough that I haven't been cheated by these crooks. And I got the education for free. I can afford that price, and wait until I get the answers I need though. Even if it takes a few weeks or months.