Bogus or authentic ?

[U44]

I'm interested in a carbine on Gunbroker and don't know if it is bogus or not. It has a pot belly stock from a rebuild along with a type two sight and a swivel safety. But a lot of things look good for the serial number. Experts, see what you think.

M1 30 Carbine Saginaw 393716917

M 1 30 Carbine Saginaw : Semi Auto Rifles at GunBroker.com

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[imarangemaster]

This one?M 1 30 Carbine Saginaw : Semi Auto Rifles at GunBroker.com


Basically a nice mixmaster. Serial number is around the Irwin Petersen range Been rebuilt: stock, Inland front band, Type II sight, flip safety, etc. Trigger guard may be original, but really need to confirm the serial number, etc. Barrel may be original, as some undated Inland barrels were used. I don't know what he reserve is, but looks like a pretty clean post-war rework. Others here know more than me, however.

[U44]

The serial number looks like 3237820.

[painter777]

Welcome U44,
Serial number is 3,237,820 which falls in to the serial number block assigned to Irwin-Pedersen then reassigned to Saginaw. From then on called Saginaw at Grand Rapids (S'G').
This carbine has been thru at least 1 rebuild, couldn't tell you when. I believe the stock to be a post WWII addition.
If I were looking to buy I'd ask the seller if any Import Marks are present on the barrel or receiver. I'd be interested in the bore and muzzle wear also.
May just be me... but the barrel/receiver color looks darker than original. Black enough to wonder if refinished over seas. Compare the SG recoil plate (Saginaw Steering Gear) Saginaw, Mi finish to the rear of the receiver.
All parts look authentic, less the Type IIA magcatch, which looks to be a repro.
Stock looks like the type made by IIRC Circle K Industries.. Who made IIRC Post WWII stocks.
At current 3 bids by one bidder. A possible good shooter @ current value. Though seller may think since its a S'G' it might have a high reserve.
Note the S'G' trigger housing looks to be a early type I with the narrow rear mag walls but has the added lube/drain hole on the left side.

HTH,
Regards,
Charlie-Painter777

M 1 30 Carbine Saginaw : Semi Auto Rifles at GunBroker.com

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

U44,

Charlie gave you a good run down on it. Asking those few questions of the seller would go farther in knowing how much you might be willing to bid.

And as Charlie beat me to it, welcome to the carbine forum. Both of you are up in that cold area of the country, burrr......

Jim

[tspence35]

Am I seeing things or is there a hole on the left side of the receiver under the rear sight? Also one at the rear of the right side of the trigger housing.

[CrossedCannons]

Those "holes" were used as locator holes. I believe the early housings had a hole, later ones just a dimple.

[U44]

Thanks guys. Your expert knowledge is appreciated. There are enough questionable items there that I don't want to bid on this.

Yah, hey. It has been a cold winter up here, but today we finally got above freezing for he first time this year. Thing are looking up.

Jim

[painter777]

Note the S'G' trigger housing looks to be a early type I with the narrow rear mag walls

Auction Link:
M 1 30 Carbine Saginaw : Semi Auto Rifles at GunBroker.com


After reviewing what I think I can see in the auction pictures, I'm not sure what Type trigger housing is on it. I can see it's a S'G'.
I know that IP was known for the round locator/tooling hole, also know they had many left over after the S'G' take over that S'G' finished up and stamped S'G'.
Later S'G' used the tooling dimple.
I know that IP and S'G' only used the smooth (no groove) rear mag wall.
Pictures # 13 and 17 show the smooth narrow rear mag wall.

While looking at picture # 3..... Would you agree that the S'G' trigger housing's rear lug is square, no bevels like a type I or II ?

At this point I m just not sure. Why would there be no receiver lug bevels, but still have the Narrow rear mag wall?

Became curious about this while plowing/throwing more snow today.
I might just have to attribute the confusion to our first day slightly above freezing since mid December. Next we need + 3' of snow to melt slowly......

Curious to ya'lls thoughts.
Especially Saginaw BobG's............

Cheers,
Charlie-Painter777

[ChipS]

Why would there be no receiver lug bevels, but still have the Narrow rear mag wall?

I think it's a Type 3 (Riesch) trigger housing that has been milled for M2 (and hole drilled for oil/drain at that time), that the photo angle in Pic 17 just makes it look like the left side wall is narrowed and that the blurred Pic 17 image doesn't show the shallower bottom selector spring mill cut. If you look at Pic 13 you can see kind if sloppy circular shape mill cut at the bottom of the wall cut, rather than perfectly square as normally seen on a narrow wall housing. My best guess. ChipS