S'G' M1 Carbine restoration questions

[John R.]

I have a Bavarian Rural Police S'G' M1 Carbine in the low 1.8 million range that I am attempting to put back to rights.

I would appreciate knowledgeable folks telling me what they think the following parts should be marked(in north to south order)

1)Handguard(the one on it is a RMC 2 rivet)
2)Stock,(current one is an Inland)
3)Mag catch
4)Safety
5)Rear Sight(has an IR stamped adjustable on it now)
6)Recoil Plate
7)Buttplate
8)Magazine
9)Firing Pin
10)Extractor

Most of what is there seems to be correct although there are quite a few IP parts on board like the "dogleg"hammer and various other bits and pieces.

I had never seen a receiver with a tiny Ordnance "Bomb" at the right rear (side just at the end of the track for the slide) and also on the exposed portion of the slide too.All in all it is quite a nice little rifle and I am only into it for $400.The Germans blued most of the parts and got busy numbering the slide and bolt to the rifle.I don't have a bolt tool so perhaps it might be a plan to add extractor and firing pin markings to the list above now that I think of it.I am about to ask a buddy in VA to find me one.

My thanks in advance for your assistance in this exercise.John R.

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[lbelflowers]

How deep are the punch marks in the rear sight base(for the adjustable sight)? Sometimes it is easier too find a gun that is correct(either good from the get go or a restored already). Parts are getting expensive and if it is not a prime example then it is not worthy.

Loren

[Curt]

I would leave as is, as that is the way the Bavarians had it. With Punch marks in the sight area and such, I would just set it aside and call it an original example of a Bavarian carbine. Besides how are you gonna get those Bavaria rural police stampings out of the receiver?

[Curt]

I would start with one a little better off or sell it and by a original or restoration. Your Bavarian gun will be worth a few coins as soon as the CMP sets a price for theres.

[rjb223]

I'm working on a Bavarian stamped IP S/n 3213xxx - Rec,IP-Bbl,Underwood-trigger housing,S'G'-Bolt,S'G'-mag catch,EI- hammer,HI- sear,SW-IP - op slde,IP- Front sight,2- blade,IPN- band,MMQ- Mag,I-P-K--rear sight Flip,RP- stock,10- recoil plate,IP-W- firing pin,inland - extractor,Underwood- Plus a Saginaw S'G' S/n 3221xxx Rec,S'G'- Bbl, underwood- S'G' trigger housing-S'G'bolt F/P S'G' extractor W-I -op slide DA-Q- recoil plate,W-S'G'- sear, SG-B front band,SI- rear sight (adj) I.R.co-mag catch EI- safety,JAO- handguard RMC 2 rivet- stock 10-inland. Some info probably no help but you never know! RJB.

[John R.]

It looks like a few of you missed the fact that I am up in Vancouver,British Columbia,CANADA.

M1 Carbines are restricted weapons up here and do NOT command anywhere near the astronomical prices you see some folks asking south of the 49th.I am restoring the rifle for amusement more than anything else.

I can probably access the parts I need in South East Asia later on this summer but first I have to know what it is that I need.I was looking at a 6 foot square crate perhaps five feet deep in partial M1 Carbines most of which had flip sights, just sitting there going nowhere last time I was out there.I can in all probability gather all of what I need out of that one crate but I have to know what it is that I need first.

There are probably more Bavarian M1 Carbines up here than any others as they were the last ones to come in back in the late 1970's.They do NOT fetch any sort of premium and the CMP has no effect on prices of anything although the odd opportunist attempts to use the CMP auction idiotic prices when trying to flog some Blue Sky POS on a Canadian firearms website as is the case as I type this.He is citing a Blue Sky Korean refinished to perdition M1 Garand as probably being a CMP import so you KNOW the guy is a crook trying to mislead the unwary.

Nonetheless ;IF you can clue me in as to which parts I need to put this S'G' Carbine back to rights I shall be most appreciative.As I said this is strictly for my own interest and I will in all probability never see anything more than what I put into it should I sell it in the future.It can't be shipped South either so that isn't a factor to consider either.

Cheers,

JR

[lbelflowers]

I don`t think we missed the point at all. Most collectors will tell you the same thing,start with a better example.We understand that your rifle is a Bavarian Rural Police(it was either stamped in the receiver or somewhere on your rifle,to us it is an imported carbine). We understand that it has an adjustable rear sight(an original would have a flip sight not staked in probably like your adjustable rear sight). We understand that it is in an Inland stock(an original would probably be in a RMC stock).By your own admittance,in Canada, the carbine does not demand the high price it does in the US. So start off with a cleaner,better example than you have. With the M1 carbine not only do you need the correct coded parts but you need to have the correct parts that would have been used during the time of the serial number. Even though you may have a bunch of IP parts in the gun,are you for sure that those pieces would still be used at the Saginaw S`G` plant?

[rjb223]

I'm writing from Ontario Canada. So I know that of which you speak! I just offered ID on some parts I had in mine in case it may have been of help. Have a nice weekend JR. RJB.

[painter777]

In JohnR's serial range a type I or type II stock could be considered correct. I see in Rieschs' book that RMC and O (flaming bomb) with a IA were used on very early production. Don't forget that most in his range will be found with a RSG marked stock and some IR-IP stocks. Both Stu and I have S'G' carbines in this same range found with a mix of IP parts.
My 1,823,135 breaks down like this:
Stock..type II oval cut RSG with the boxed S'G' and CC
Hand guard..type I 2 rivet marked RSG
Barrel..Underwood 8-43
Frt Sight..type I marked N..milled thumbnail like a Winchester
Barrel band..type I 2 weld..both swivel and band unmarked
Rear sight..type I flip marked RG-S'G'
Gas piston..unmarked
Op slide..type III marked S'G'
Bolt..flat type II marked S'G'
Extractor..type III marked WS'G'
Firing pin..type I marked S'G'
Trigger housing..type III with tooling dimples marked S'G' SHOWS NO SIGN OF A DOGLEG HAMMER STRIKE.
Hammer..type III marked SG
Hammer spring..22 coil
Trigger.. type II marked S'G'
Sear..type I marked SW-S'G'
Safety..plain faced push type II unmarked
Magcatch..type IIA marked B:IP
Butt plate markedPM-IP
Recoil plate..type III marked W-S'G'


HTH
Charlie-painter777

[Curt]

By restricted weapon in Canada what do you have to do to own one?