any insight on powder shortage?

[duggaboy]

I will and do buy when and all I need/want to store and use, and I will continue to do that , regardless of the price. I like to reload and shoot and I will continue to do so: this is my therapy, and it is still cheaper that govt run psycho counseling, isn't it??

[Matt Anthony]

I will and do buy when and all I need/want to store and use, and I will continue to do that , regardless of the price. I like to reload and shoot and I will continue to do so: this is my therapy, and it is still cheaper that govt run psycho counseling, isn't it??

You my friend are a "True American!"

[colt100]

Guys! Hoarding drives up the prices for no good reason. Buying what you don't need hurts all of us. I am used to paying $24.95 for 1k of primers. They now sell for $40.00-80.00. ONLY because of hoarding. Please yourself, for sure, but don't expect a Bronze Star from me!

Comrade Steve:

Primers are only being sold at that price because of supply and demand. There was a great demand because alot of uninformed people (and I'm sure some gun owners) voted for the current anti-gun president. As companies sold out of their stocks and manufacturing wasn't able to keep up with demand, people who had the items put some up for sale. I know I have been selling some of my ammo that I refuse to shoot because of the price to replace it. I now shoot my reloads.

If someone needed your primers really bad and offered you 20 times what you paid for them, would you sell? Are you now gougeing them? Did you hord primers/ammo? I'll bet you are not out of ammo so I guess you are hording ammo by not allowing others to buy what you have.

You fail to take into account that the dollar is losing value, hence, prices go higher. It is also my understanding that bullet/primer companies, lock in prices on commodities for periods of time. If they locked in when the price of the metal was high, then well, the consumer is going to pay the price, if they want the goods.

If you think that everyone should just stop shooting/buying components, so the price will go down so you can buy them, you are not living in reality. I guess you were big into the no buying gas days also huh?

If you want prices to go down, buy less of the things you think are too high priced. I normally buy several thousand primers in a order because it is cheaper to do so, and I'll know I have enough to get me though in times like these.

Supply is catching up to demand and the price of primers hasn't risen that much. There was just reciently, a bunch of wolf primers in stock for several days. At some point, in the near future, the people who have been "hording" all these components will have their fill and stop buying components. Then there will be all you need out there. Maybe when that happens, you might want to stock up when things cost less and are available.

I have no ill will towards anyone who buys enough of what they need when it is available. I don't blame anyone for buying an item for the express purpose of turning a profit (CMP items are the only exception but that is a whole other issue). I refuse to pay 40-80 dollars for primers and will wait until prices come down. I stocked up on enough reloading components when they were cheap to last me for the forseeable future.

For anyone out there who is pointing fingers about hording, what is the acceptable level of buying? 100 primers? 100 rds of ammo? What?

Do you have any problems with people buying 30000 primers if primers were 20/1000 and in stock everywhere? If your answer to this question is you don't have a problem when supplies are plentiful and cheap, then I fail to see your logic when supplies are in short supply. If your answer is it was still hording, explain why you weren't complaining 2 years ago?

If you take anything from this experience, remember, "buy it cheap and stack it deep."

[FTIII]

Thank you colt100. I quit posting in this forum some time back because I got tired of the BS and having to defend myself from Red and others that believe that buying enough is "to much" and therefor hoarding and anyone that does that is evil in some way. It aint worth the grief.

Reloading components "have been" and "are" on the shelf more and more in my area, there is almost nothing that I cant go to one of the sporting goods stores and buy if I want it. Components and guns never went totaly away even at the worst of the rush. I have seen posters here in this forum complaining about "black guns" not being avalable, again I have to say thats a pile of road apples. I can go out today and look at no less than 100 of them on the shelf waiting for buyers and yes the DPMS .308's to, what do you want? it's out there to get if you are willing to part with the money for it. By the way one of the .308 cal. DPMS guns for sale is "new" for less than 1,100 at my local dealer and has been for a month, no takers and I know for a fact that's a good price anytime or anyplace.

colt100 and others like us know this will end someday and when the real hoarders have to let go of their stash at 1/2 price that's when it will be time to buy. Until then the whiners will continue to whine and the rest of us will continue to buy what we need when we have the chance and not feel bad about exercising or rights to do so.

Hang in there colt and the others like us, keep doing what your doing and let the other contine to do what they do, after all.....it's their right to whine.

"Flame away whiners".
BudT

[colt100]

I see this attitude more and more in america and I sure don't like it one bit. People complain when they don't have something blaming others for the problem, when it's their own fault they are in the situation they are in. I'm saying that this is a general theme in america but it does apply to some of the people who are complaining on this board.

There was an e-mail going around about a year ago that summed up what I'm talking about. I didn't save it but it was basically about 2 squirrels who were storing nuts for the winter. The first squirrel stored the nuts and told the other to do so when the nuts were everywhere. The second kept saying that he had plenty of time and sat back and relaxed. Soon winter came and the 2nd squarrel ran out of nuts 1/2 way through the winter.

The 2nd squarrel then went and complained to the government. The woodland news showed the 2nd squarrel starving in the cold and the 1st squarrel sitting in his home eating nuts. Public outrage followed and the gov came in and took 1/2 of the 1st squarrel's nuts to give to the poor starving 2nd squarrel.

The e-mail continued and this was supposed to be a spin on the welfare system but I can see similarites to the reloading hobbyists as well.

I sometimes don't have the money to stock up on components myself in the quanties that I would like but I sure don't whine when others do so. I buy what I can when I can and If I don't have enough ammo for a gun, I shoot another until I can reload or procure more ammo. Or I just don't go shooting or shoot a lot less then I normally would.

I also get frustrated with this and the old board. Same thing goes with AR15 and some of the other boards. I have what I need in the end because I planned ahead. If someone else didn't, it's their own fault.

I am just getting into the 6.8 spc game and have to start from scratch with brass/bullets/ammo and the components were quite cheaper a year ago, sometime 1/2 price what they are now. You don't see me out there whining about it. I look for deals and buy when the price is right. I pass on "deals" all the time because people want too much money. I'll eventually aquire what I need and get a nice stockpile of ammo/components stocked up for the next zombie attacks, if they come.

[USSR]

I see this attitude more and more in america and I sure don't like it one bit. People complain when they don't have something blaming others for the problem, when it's their own fault they are in the situation they are in.

Regarding the cries of "Hoarding". It's a sign that liberals are joining the ranks of gun owners.

Don

[hockeybuff]

I guess I'm one of the whiners so I'll respond to the latest posts here. My issue here isn't about redistribution of wealth (as the squirrel story hints at) or liberals in the gun culture ( which if you go to the political forum I think they would say started around 1968). This has nothing to do with that. My issue isn't with what/how much or what price Matt payed for his primers he didn't need. I agree with Colt100's assessment of supply and demand. I think that I will soon be able to get the primers and powder that I want as cheap, if not cheaper than before.
My only issue here has been with Matt's original post of buying 30,000 primers he didn't need. He, and others, contributed to a panic buying (or to use Matt's word-speculation) that forced up prices and ended availablity. He can do that if he wants and I don't have to pay increased prices. But I don't have to be happy for him or accept his "Well I got mine and #$% the rest of you." That's all- I thought it was "odd" that he would boast about that to the very people hurt by the hoarding.

[Matt Anthony]

My only issue here has been with Matt's original post of buying 30,000 primers he didn't need. He, and others, contributed to a panic buying (or to use Matt's word-speculation) that forced up prices and ended availablity. He can do that if he wants and I don't have to pay increased prices. But I don't have to be happy for him or accept his "Well I got mine and #$% the rest of you." That's all- I thought it was "odd" that he would boast about that to the very people hurt by the hoarding.

I don't remember saying "I got mine and the #$% the rest of you!" The statement you made is a bald faced made up sentence, commonly referred to as a false statement and lie! Is your nose a---growing!!!! Here is my original post, copied from page one!


It's simply supply and demand. I took to task and bought continually for over 2 years. One never has enough in this climate of political ups and downs.
As soon as Widener's had Wolf Primers last week, I bought another 30,000. I didn't need them, but it's better to have too many than not at all.
Powder Valley was out of H4350, so I read about Accurate 4350 and found that as a suitable substitute, so I bought 4 8 lb. jugs. Powder Valley has enough Accurate, so I might buy more next month.
It's not hoarding, it's survival!
Anyone can do it, just spend the money!

Stop making false statements, now,no one will ever believe you again!

[hockeybuff]

Matt:
I'm sorry if you thought I was quoting you. I wasn't using the quotation marks to quote you- I read your original post- but instead to quote the slang saying. I was using the saying to illustrate my reaction to your original post and how you appeared to come across to me. That's not lieing or making a false statement.

[Matt Anthony]

Matt:
I'm sorry if you thought I was quoting you. I wasn't using the quotation marks to quote you- I read your original post- but instead to quote the slang saying. I was using the saying to illustrate my reaction to your original post and how you appeared to come across to me. That's not lieing or making a false statement.

You can't weasel out of this by now twisting your intented message. You referred exactly to my original post using that as your basis for your objections. You indicated I was boasting, that is not true, how did you come up with that? Where in my original post was I boasting?
Now, just because you didn't buy primers and powder when they were plentiful, there is no call to condemn the people that did! We call people who do what you have displayed, cry babies.
And I did not cause primers to go up in price because I bought an extra 30,000 primers. That statement is absolutely rediculous and childlike. Just to let you and the other cry babies know, when primers are available, around the 29th of August, I plan on buying even more, and this time I'll spend $2,000.00 just to show you and others I do this "because I can!" And you can do it too!
One more point, the word lieing is spelled this way, lying, and you did make false statements, that's a fact Jack!
Hope you have a wonderful day,
Matt