Winchester Awarded Homeland Security Contract

[7.62 NATO]

The citizens of this country can't find ammo to purchase but Big Brother sure can......If the border patrol can't shoot illegals sneaking across the borders who do they plan on using 200 million rounds of hollow point on?

Winchester® Ammunition was recently awarded a contract by the Immigration, Customs and Enforcement (ICE) division of the Department of Homeland Security to supply a maximum of 200 million, 40 cal. rounds over the next five years.

“Winchester has a proud tradition of providing high quality ammunition to our nation’s law enforcement agencies,” said Dick Hammett, president, Winchester Ammunition. “No matter if they’re protecting our block, our city or our borders, each special agent is an invaluable resource and we are committed to giving them the best products available.”

The load selected for this contract is a 135-grain, hollow point designed for the office of Field Operations of Customs and Border Protection. It will fall under the Winchester® Ranger® line of products.

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[Dave]

Well, if you have several million dollars, I'm sure Win. would provide you the same kind of contract, for .380 or whatever!

[BruceV]

"The load selected for this contract is a 135-grain, hollow point designed for the office of Field Operations of Customs and Border Protection. It will fall under the Winchester® Ranger® line of products."

Given the caliber and bullet weight stipulated, that is going to be one hot load! Wonder why they are using such a light bullet? FWIK, the 180 gr. load is just about superior for all uses. Sincerely. BruceV.
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[da gimp]

would like to try some. reduced muzzle flash @ night, adequate penetration, great mushrooming through a variety of clothing & barriers. If you do not belong to the NRA, JOIN NOW.


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[Bruce McAskill]

The .40 S&W was a gimick cartridge designed for one thing and that was to sell more guns at a time sales were slumping. By using this set up S&W could use their 9mm platform and didn't have to design a new frame for this round. First released with a 200 gr. bullet it didn't do much of anything.( the good old .45 acp did it better) Then they down sized the weight to 180 and it still didn't do much of anything. The factiories then dropped the bullet weight to 155 or 150 gr HP and the round started to come alive. Cor Bon then made the round in a 135 gr bullet and the cartridge was lifted off it's knees. Now it could made one shot stops on a steady basis. Don't fool yourself thinking the 180 bullet will work as it doesn't when compared to the lighter bullets at a much higher velosity. The best man stoppep in a handgun is still the old .357 Magnum but not with the heavy 158 gr round. It's the lighter 125 gr round that works so well. The 135 in the .40 S&W is pretty close the that so it should work very well also.

[Bat Guano]

Saw that contract a while back. When I started as an investigator with INS in 1972 my issue weapon was a 2" Model 10. Later when I was the firearms officer I was told we had no need for shotguns--finally got 2.

My successor advises me that now every special agent has an M4 carbine plus the duty .40 semiauto. I wonder exactly what the purpose of all that weaponry is these days. Certainly it's not to secure the border or otherwise serve a legitimate purpose...

I fear we have placed our confidence in the wrong people.

[BruceV]

I don't have any experience w/ anything but 180 gr. loads in the .40 S&W. But what I have found is that it shoots to the factory sights, it is very accurate in my Glock 22 and absolutely superior to anything I've ever been able to find in 9mm. Reflecting a law enforcement perspective, my brother preferred it to the 9mm. They were not permitted to carry any permutation of the .45 ACP. With good HP ammunition, he considered the .40 S&W to be the best caliber available for law enforcement or personal defense use. At his suggestion I finally obtained a Glock 22 and have found his advice to be fully confirmed.

In the hopefully never to be experience in which I might have to use this pistol against a criminal assault, I do think that a lighter JHP bullet might be a good choice. I do well remember when my NOPD friends all considered the .357 w/ 125 gr. JHP to be the one shot man stopper of choice. I can see where the .40 S&W w/ 135 up to 155 gr. JHP would offer a similar effectiveness. I have not been able to find a great deal of documented research to confirm this idea. Most of what I've found encourages use of the 180 gr. JHP. Does anyone have well researched material on this subject? Sincerely. BruceV.