Greek 303 Ammo

[Edward Horton]

It looks like the British had spies at the Finnish Lapua ammunition plant before they finalized the design of the Ball Mk.8Z. round. (Rebated boat tail design)





Below the famous Lapua RBT preferred by shooting experts for accuracy and loooong barrel life………………



To: Jmoore, “Bah Humbug” twice

(Jmoore, kiss me and turn me into a toad)

Sorry I almost forgot………………never say never

[FugWit2]

Whichever way this works out I'm committed now.
I just bought every last round of the HXP70 & MkVII z they had in stock & I bought it to shoot with, not debate on the internet.

[Amatikulu]

FugWit2 - I think you made the right decision

I buy any HXP 303 ammo I can find and add it to my supply. Once the HXP price reaches that of loaded Privi, I'll start buying that based on Ed's comments (unless I personally find otherwise).

Just a point to clarify.............the "z" mark on the headstamp of a British or Commonwealth .303 cartridge denotes the use of "Nitrocellulose Powder." This differentiates it from cartridges loaded with cordite that have no "z" in the headstamp.

[FugWit2]

The Prvi Partizan IS nice ammo, & at today's prices, very reasonably priced.
I grabbed all I could find a while back when I found a source selling it for U.S. $9.95 per 20

The HXP was a lucky find, I'm discovering there are little pockets of good ammo out there, but it is no longer the internet mass marketers. This particular supply comes from a mom & pop gunstore located in the basement of a small town general store.

As for the "Z" suffixed ammo I'm utterly confused now as to wether it's a powder change, a bullet change , or both. Luckily I have a couple of crates to open up & I'll pull down a round & see what the heck I just bought.

Personally I load BT bullets as the rifle likes them, & 3031 powder as I like it, so I'm assuming all the rest is foam on the brain internet syndrome, particularly as the illustrations posted contradict themselves, the case headstamp being VII which when I went to school was Roman numerals for "7" but the text referes to "8" which would be VIII??????

[Edward Horton]

“As for the "Z" suffixed ammo I'm utterly confused now as to wether it's a powder change, a bullet change , or both. Luckily I have a couple of crates to open up & I'll pull down a round & see what the heck I just bought.”

”Personally I load BT bullets as the rifle likes them, & 3031 powder as I like it, so I'm assuming all the rest is foam on the brain internet syndrome, particularly as the illustrations posted contradict themselves, the case headstamp being VII which when I went to school was Roman numerals for "7" but the text referes to "8" which would be VIII??????”


Fugwit2

I sorry if I caused any confusion and I wasn’t “fugingwithU”, but please do me a favor. When someone takes the time and copies, scans and converts these images from a 1945 British manual into Adobe Acrobat .pdf format, PLEASE DO NOT speed read or skim over what is posted.

They say a picture is worth a thousand words so I have now color coded and added more information to stop your confusion.

The information came from this manual.



Ball Mk.7 double base cordite rounds are marked in RED, Ball Mk.8Z loaded with single base NC or Nitrocellulose powder is marked in lime green. Read slooooowly digesting each bit of color coded information.



If you are still confused after the truthful statement Amatikulu made about the Mk.8z round who by the way was a Boy Scout who NEVER lies, PLUS all the factual information in the chart below, you must have a learning disability.

Below, the Mk.7z and Mk.8z .303 rounds were loaded with Nitrocellulose powder or single base powders



I hope you are now clear on what the “Z” actually means now that I have eaten my Thanksgiving meal, posted more photos and YOU have given me heart burn.

[FugWit2]

You know I just asked a simple question.
If I'd wanted the insults I'd have asked for them specifically.
Sorry if I spoiled your holiday.
Good bye.

[Edward Horton]

You know I just asked a simple question.
If I'd wanted the insults I'd have asked for them specifically.
Sorry if I spoiled your holiday.
Good bye.

Fugwit2

You just don’t understand my humor, it’s a cross between Don Rickles and Attila the Hun, BUT it was meant as humor and NOT an insult.
(I wasn’t “fugingwithU”)

Don Rickles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Attila the Hun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Edward Horton]

The main reason I made my posting here was due to the fact that Thunderbox and Alan de Enfield were having a slight disagreement and I enjoy reading anything these two experienced Enfield collectors have to say.

Both Thunderbox and Alan de Enfield have forgotten more about Enfield Rifle than this rookie American Enfield enthusiast will ever know about his rifles because they have more hands on experience with the Enfield rifle.


BUT I must add the following, both Thunderbox and Alan de Enfield are 100% right and 100% wrong at the same time.

The British used the rebated boat tail design in their Mk.8z because this boat tail design DOES compress and seal the bore when fired and DOES NOT cause additional barrel wear.

A standard boat tail bullet on the other hand CAN and DOES create more barrel wear. WHY do you think the British used the RBT design in the first place, WHY do you think Lapua still makes the RBT design and WHY do you think Corbin makes rebated boat tail conversion dies for shooting experts who demand the utmost accuracy and loooong barrel life.


This type boat tail bullet will NOT expand and seal the bore and can cause more barrel wear if the bullet is smaller than bore diameter.



This type military full metal jacket hollow base boat tail with exposed lead at the base WILL expand and fill the bore when fired.



Score:

10 points Thunderbox
10 Points Alan de Enfield

Minus 10 points to Fugwit2 for speed reading my posting.

[Amatikulu]

I believe Ed's poor attempt at humor was a genuine attempt to help clear up the confusion.

The problem was he simply had extremely bad heartburn

[Edward Horton]

I would never have guessed that Amatikulu had eaten any of my Mother-in-laws over cooked ultra dry Turkey or had one of her killer face hugging, face smothering Holiday kisses. Did I tell you my Mother-in-Law is 110% Polish



P.S. Anyone with the screen name of fugwit2 should expect someone to fugwitdem!