Australian trials rifle

[trooper554877]

For what it's worth I'm all for inclusive rules re categories. Hey if you got beaten by someone with a mod'ed rifle that didn't really fit into the category who cares anyway, you still got to shoot your HT, the other guys score didn't effect yours, and those little medals they hand out arn't really worth much, and i'd guess you've got a drawer full of them anyway, just my 2 cents...

thanks for the back up tbone, should be more thinking done along these lines!

Cheers
Ned

[Son]

thanks for the back up tbone, should be more thinking done along these lines!

Cheers
Ned

Mate, I didn't write the rules..(not those ones anyway) but there is cause for complaint against what you are planning. Everything would be fine a club level, but once you get into higher competition it all changes. How often do you here someone use the argument "we allow it at our club...". To that end it would be best if the rules were enforced to the letter from the ground up.
If you want to allow anyone to shoot, you need rules that accurately demonstrate the intent. Yours do not, I'm afraid. Go visit the AIHPA website and copy their rifle classes. You know them , Ned...and the reasons for their existence They are the only truly inclusive shooting group in the country.

I'm not against what you are thinking, but it is against your own rules... or are they just guidelines, Cap'n Sparrow.

And young Tbone...I just object when they are blatently broken to allow a mate of the scruitineer into a class he shouldn't have been in... ok for a club shoot, but not nationals. Yeah, I got plenty of trinkets, but they were worth nothing to me after that! Went to a truly inclusive group and didn't go back.
I do it for the enjoyment... I will be shooting one of my Ht's in a fortnight in an "any rifle" match at 700yds. Maximum grin factor!- thats what I look for!


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[Lithy]

In response to the OP hre is what you are looking for

[Old Lancer]

Thanks fo that Lithy, What are the scope details? if its not too much to ask!

[trooper554877]

Mate, I didn't write the rules..(not those ones anyway) but there is cause for complaint against what you are planning. Everything would be fine a club level, but once you get into higher competition it all changes. How often do you here someone use the argument "we allow it at our club...". To that end it would be best if the rules were enforced to the letter from the ground up.
If you want to allow anyone to shoot, you need rules that accurately demonstrate the intent. Yours do not, I'm afraid. Go visit the AIHPA website and copy their rifle classes. You know them , Ned...and the reasons for their existence They are the only truly inclusive shooting group in the country.

I'm not against what you are thinking, but it is against your own rules... or are they just guidelines, Cap'n Sparrow.

And young Tbone...I just object when they are blatently broken to allow a mate of the scruitineer into a class he shouldn't have been in... ok for a club shoot, but not nationals. Yeah, I got plenty of trinkets, but they were worth nothing to me after that! Went to a truly inclusive group and didn't go back.
I do it for the enjoyment... I will be shooting one of my Ht's in a fortnight in an "any rifle" match at 700yds. Maximum grin factor!- thats what I look for!


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I understand Son,
I am going to concede your No6 should not be in standard class but could shoot in a modified class event.
what do you do now with all the different issue sniper rifles of today?
Granted a couple are not allowed due to regulations but if some one had the money to buy one, should he be allowed to use it?
what I am trying to get across here is that there is no hard and fast rule to what is general issue or not.
If anything was signed for from the armoury and used that is enough evidence to say it was an issue item.
Experimental is different to trials, by fact of scale of issue.
general/scale of issue to special forces is different than to a reserve unit, and a lithuian local bridge defence section, if you get my drift.

AIHPA rules are mind f**K to admin to, try having 5-6 different trophy classes and costing involved. We have to concede that if we keep going that way we will be competing against only the same model rifle as each other, at least we try and make it so we can have a competition.
Anyway national service rifle events with the NRAA are a long way if not ever way off so we don't have to worry about it.
cheers
Ned


Anyway if someone wanted to use something in a class that is not easily recognizable then it is up to the individual to provide the evidence to satisfy the executive committee running the show to allow the entry, then everyone else has to go by what they say, can't have the rank the file running the shoot can we now!! if they think they are correct, step up and have a go at running the thing themselves!!

[Lithy]

Thanks fo that Lithy, What are the scope details? if its not too much to ask!

Scope is a Leupold 3-9 Vari-XII with GSA G-Bralta (a play on the saying 'as solid as the rock of Gibralter') QD dovetail mounts made by Gold Spot Accesories in Adelade.

[Son]

Sniper rifles are easiest the SSAA way... Pre Jan 1946 and post war era. The post war era use a smaller target as well. If it is a sniper rifle and it is legal to own... eg the M82 Parker Hale, the Tikka 22/250, the SR98, the AW50, the Blazer in 338Lap magnum... these are all off the shelf sporting rifles with very few if any modifications. I would love to have the little AI in 7.62, complete with an S&B MkII 3 - 12 X50 on top. They are available! Biggest difference will be the folding butt- (illegal in NSW,) the other mods are less obvious. and unless you were familiar with the weapon, would not be able to pick. Here's another thought... "service rifle" includes police sniper or other parra military organisations in most definitions... Just find a rifle you like, and then see which county sherrifs office are using it! A Rem700 in a tacticool stock would fit the bill!
I will own an AI one day...beautiful rifle! I can hit a head sized steel spinner at 800m all day! They even make a mug like me look good!

[trooper554877]

Yeah SSAA have the police thing in the rules but we don't so that ones out of the question.
Look I agree with you it's a debatable subject but each association has it's own rules and run with it.
as for the AI, yep agree but the repro M40 USMC sniper rifle repro'd out of tassie look OK for comp at a lot cheaper price.
As I said get over to the west bring your Ht's, No6 and what ever else and have a shoot with us, you will enjoy it much more than over there, it's the fresh air!!!
Cheers
Ned

[tbonesmith]

I would love to have the little AI in 7.62, complete with an S&B MkII 3 - 12 X50 on top.

Maybe we can get group buy together. Pretty sweet little rifle!

[Old Lancer]

Well, didn't I start a hot debate!!! So I'll fess up.
I very recently competed in a comp here in Western Australia with my "T" clone and was fairly well placed considering I was up against some pretty speccy tactical rifles and even some shady government trained chaps who were using their official equipment (nuff said, ), however, in this comp the field was open, no pre or post 46 or tac1 or tac2 etc so the final top runners were pretty much as expected. Next june however there will be a SSAA(WA) service rifle state championships being held where the sniper classes are well defined with no ambiguity.IE. pre 46, post46 tactical1 & tactical2 and faithful reproductions thereof, so having an old Omark in my collction of the correct vintage going by the serial number I intend to shoot both. And yes Ned, it was that comp!
So now with thanks to Lithy I even Know what colour to paint it


P.S. I hope some of you Ozzy forummers will get along to comp in june, give some of those ole three 0h's a run in the park