Carbines

[villiers]

Not really a collector ... but my special interest is short *rsed carbines (mainly as I´ve only got a motor bike and can´t get anything longer to the range). The collection is gradually increasing as I can´t push myself into getting rid of any of them. But shooting them all regularly is getting to the point of involving serious effort, especially as I have to re-load for all of them.

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[fn111557]

NICE collection!

Love the look of the Lugar with the butstock attached.

[onlycrimson]

Those are very nice! Are you riding a Husqvarna?

[villiers]

Those are very nice! Are you riding a Husqvarna?

Husqvarna 630 SM & CCM 644DS

[Harlan (Deceased)]

Is that your Husky as your avavtar? Would you mind posting some photos of it?

I rode a new Husky CR125 in 1973 and it was the 'Class' of the 125 cc class at the time. Long suspension at the time, and it made all the Jap bikes at the time look like junk. I was 15 years old and worked full time in a veterinarian clinic all summer and then several months after school every day shoveling dog poop, etc to save the $1000 it cost. Then Honda came out with the CR125 Elsinore and it blew away every Jap and European made 125. After being outclassed for nearly a year I sold my Husky and bought an Elsinore. Unbelievably, I ran an add in the local nespaper asking a crazy price of $1000 for it and sold it for $1000 two days after the ad came out to a young man who wanted it for cross country - (Which it was still competitive for)

I still raced MX all the way through college and worked part time at a Suzuki/Maico shop until 1980 when I completely trashed my knee. Tore it out of socket and it took a year to even get to where I could even walk without crutches. Back in those days they really tore you open for knee surgery and out you in a cast for a couple of months before you even began therapy.

I have been out of the motorcycle scene forever and checked on European motorcycles via internet by searching and mostly only found info about vintage racing. BUltaco, CZ, Maico and some of the others I seached for seemed to have gone out of business, or didn't get results from my searching. Is Husqarna still producing competitive motorcycles?

Sorry for the long post - info about Huskys is just very interesting for me and I don't know anyone who's current about them or anything else about motocross.

Went back and found this old photo of my dad (in Goodyear cap) changing a fouled spark plug on my hunky before the last lap of a 100 mile cross country race I was in. Typical luck as always, I was honestly running 1st by a pretty good margin and the second place guy passed me just as I was getting back on the track and he turned up the juice. I kept him in sight on the long straights but couldn't catch up.

The plastic tank design was for a CZ, but it fit ferfectly. It held about twice as the stock tank designed for motocross so I used it for cross country races.

[villiers]

It´s the CCM in the avatar (CCM is STILL in business ... only just). Wish I hadn´t sold the MAICO. Here´s the Husky:



... and the CCM (both SuMos)

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[Harlan (Deceased)]

WAY COOL! Are those the types used for those long distant rally's? Is Maico still in business?

I recently did an on-line search for Yamahas just out of curiosity and was shocked all the MX bikes were all four strokes. I didn't find anything, but I was looking for some kind of motorcycle similar to the 'enduros' of the old days that were light weight and built similar to motocross bikes with street legal lights.

Back in the day, we used to talk about how cool it would be to have a four stroke that was light enough and quick enough to be competitive but it didn't seem there ever could be. There would be many advantages to a four stroke, but back then two strokes were just too fast and outclassed four strokes. Every MX back then was two stroke and the smell of 'bean oil' and blue fog permeated the air around MX races. We had to carefully mix the correct ratio of gas and oil or it would end is a seized piston. Sometimes it did anyway.

[Patrick Chadwick]

The beginnings of a lovely collection, Patrick!

Of those four, I only have the one at the bottom. But looking at the Werder carbine, the barrel is sooo short that the length/caliber ratio is not a lot higher than the LP 08.
SP4 is far too slow for that length, and I believe I already suggested SP3 for the M71 carbine. Looking at the Werder carbine as if it were a pistol with a long shaft added, then I wonder if, in fact, you might get the best results by loading it as such, i.e. using SP2 with a much lighter bullet - something around 250-280 grains, certainly hardly more than 300. Let me know what you think of this suggestion.


Patrick

[villiers]

That´s exactly what Hensel advised. The Werder carbine uses the same cartridge as the Werder pistol. Remember my father (a cavalryman) often told me how they practised dismounting, pulling their horse over and using the saddle as a benchrest ... with the horse as cover. Never at anything over approx. 150 paces.

[villiers]

WAY COOL! Are those the types used for those long distant rally's? Is Maico still in business?

I recently did an on-line search for Yamahas just out of curiosity and was shocked all the MX bikes were all four strokes. I didn't find anything, but I was looking for some kind of motorcycle similar to the 'enduros' of the old days that were light weight and built similar to motocross bikes with street legal lights.

Back in the day, we used to talk about how cool it would be to have a four stroke that was light enough and quick enough to be competitive but it didn't seem there ever could be. There would be many advantages to a four stroke, but back then two strokes were just too fast and outclassed four strokes. Every MX back then was two stroke and the smell of 'bean oil' and blue fog permeated the air around MX races. We had to carefully mix the correct ratio of gas and oil or it would end is a seized piston. Sometimes it did anyway.

Negative ... SuperMoto (SM) was a new thing a few years back, racing in a mix of soft and hard track (therefore smaller, fatter wheels). MAICO folded some years back. Husky (and Husaberg) still make two smokes and a man´s taken over the MAICO brand name ... makes custom 500cc! two-strokes. There´s no way that two strokes can be registered as street legal over here any more, so they have to be trailered. Even 4 strokes need a lot of (not quite legal) tinkering to get the power/weight ratio back to spec. And (they tell me) it´s getting even worse next year when the EU directive comes into force and we have to fit a mechanism to report even the slightest change to a bike.