I am going to sell these two Trapdoors locally and would like help identifying originality and any parts that are not original to the guns before I do. If my research is correct the full length was made in 1882 and short one in 1879.

My reading tells me that the short one is not and actual carbine because it is shorter than it should be and the serial number is wrong for a carbine. Is it just something that someone put together or were there other shorter Trapdoors made beside the Carbines?

Great site and thanks for any help...Jeff
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