My new to me No4Mk1T just got it today!

[Norton1]

I did used to own a Norton. A 72 model. Actually owned a couple of them. My first was a 69 that I destroyed by over-revving it one night and the 72 I built several years ago. It was a Norvil model. Thing hauled butt! I did enjoy leaving Harley riders in the dirt on mountain roads. Now I ride a 1987 Harley - slightly modified as a solo bike as my wife rides a Yamaha 1100. I also own and ride a 1968 Harley I restored as well as currently working on a 1938 Harley UL.

My riding has been fraught with wrecks in the early years. But I had not had a wreck for years until 3 years ago. I went down really hard and nearly ended my life as well as my riding. But came out with a rocky year long recovery and am back riding again. I've owned a bike since I was 13-14 so at 67 I can't even imagine not having one. I also have a 1953 Ford that I am customizing. It's my daily driver also and it is just a fun little hot rod. Someone up above said something about "How could anyone ever be bored?" I agree - I don't have time to be bored - too much fun -

I will do my best to hook up with you mtbiker - always looking for free food and a yard to crash in during my travels. Riding the Grub Line - -

[mtbikerwvu]

No need to crash in the yard, theres an Airstream back there.

[Surpmil]

mtbikerwvu if the bracket (mount) matches the rifle as I think you said it did, then some owner before you almost certainly removed the 32 scope for whatever reason. If I were you I would make persistent enquiries and see if the fate of the scope can be determined. It might still be around or given or sold to someone who still has it lying around. You just never know. In fact I'd ask around even if it doesn't match.

We'd need to see some more photos of the action and bracket to say much more except that it's obviously a 1944 BSA Shirley rifle with the T stamp and the staked pad screw heads that indicate post-war UK maintenance. That's straight from Peter's books mind.

Forend is a replacement as you probably know.

If I may blow my own horn for a moment, should you pick up an IWS bracket, you can then mount whatever you want using whatever rings you want.

Not sure how much of a No.4 fan you are, but check the barrel bearing at the muzzle: 3-4lbs downward pressure and slight play side to side.

[mtbikerwvu]

My idea is that the whole stock is a replacement from who knows when. No scope serial number on the buttstock wrist area just a letter H. Scope mount is not a match but has been staked just once and looks proper. There is a star with a W inside on the bottom of the wrist and I think that is a Weadon refurb stamp. There are no import stamps on the gun and it came from a WWII vets estate here in Montana. I do not believe it is a fake or reproduction but a gun that got a firm rebuild at some point and who knows what happened to the scope. There is no other way to determine the serial number that I know of and I have a better chance of winning the lottery than finding that scope now. It may just get a reproduction scope and I will be done with it or I may just trade it off as I am getting bummed the more I learn about it and the scopes.

[Norton1]

Dang - no cash here but if you decide to get rid of it let me know. Maybe we can work out a deal of some kind. I've got tons of junk, er I mean really good stuff, that I would be willing to swap you for it. Anyway - keep me in mind if you decide to move it on.

[MJ1]

Thanks for the posting, keep looking and you may get lucky. Trace back through the last owner then the next and you could find out what happend to the scope.



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[camerl2009]

Hello mtbikerwvu ...

Thank you for posting the pics of your assembled No.4(T) ..

I for one, do appreciate your service to your country and respect what experience that has given you to be able to post about Lee Enfield No.4(T) sniper rifles here ...

Having said that, perhaps you're not aware of it, but Peter isn't just speaking from his military experience when specifically commenting about No.4(T) sniper rifles.

In addition to being a trained and highly experienced military Armourer, he has authored two excellent books about the No.4(T) sniper rifles and their No.32 scopes. They are titled "An Armourer's Perspective: .303 No.4(T) Sniper Rifle", which he co-authored with Ian Skennerton and his own dedicated work, "Telescope Sighting No.32".

If you're really interested in some in-depth learning about the No.4(T) sniper rifles and the No.32 series of scopes, their history, evolution, repair and adjustments for shooting, we'd highly recommend those two books, which are pictured below.

http://photos.imageevent.com/badgerd...Laidler-HC.jpg(Click PIC to Enlarge)http://photos.imageevent.com/badgerd...32-Laidler.jpg

Also, my wife and I own and collect Enfields and we have 9 No.4(T)'s ourselves, including one mounted with a more contemporary commercial scope such as yours. Although not as knowledgeable on these particular old girls as Peter Laidler, I did serve 17 years myself (now retired) and trained as special service force sniper out to 1,000 yards with various rifles, including out to 600 yards with our No.4(T)'s. I can tell you from my own personal experience that your commercial scope is too tight on eye relief for a 1944 era No.4(T) and that someone not prepared for that shallow distance who gets in too close, will get whacked, sooner or later...

Finally, we don't ban people for being defensive, or not expecting the kind of answers they wanted too hear. We do recognize that this is the Internet and people hide behind pseudonyms, often saying things they'd most like not say directly to someone's face they know personally. We like to maintain a fairly civil and friendly forum, so we do ban folks for being rude, ignorant or over-the-top in their responses to others.

Thanks for listening and your consideration...

Regards,
Doug

looks like someones hogging all the no4 t's in ontario

[jmoore]

... The M40 and M24 on the other hand, I have spent some time with.

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...CIMG4994-1.jpg

Severe thread drift, but since mtbikerwvu brought it up in his own thread, I just have to ask- What is that stock on the Remington? It has the deeply curved grip of PS, but the fore end looks a bit different. Maybe the camera angle? The solid rubber pad isn't normally seen on the 700 PS, but could it be an addition?

Mmmm, the more I look the more I think it's a PS rifle, but at any rate it's nice to see. They don't turn up often.

[mtbikerwvu]

It was a Fed Government build Remington verified this and the Serial number block but couldn't say what particular government agency owned it. Contract was done by Rem and not a Marine Corps build. There are some slight variations. The Sheppard scope was a contract item too according to Remington. 1982 build if I remember correctly.

[jmoore]

It was a Fed Government build Remington verified this and the Serial number block but couldn't say what particular government agency owned it. Contract was done by Rem and not a Marine Corps build. There are some slight variations. The Sheppard scope was a contract item too according to Remington. 1982 build if I remember correctly.

If you want to possibly find out the agency (providing it was DoD related), PM me the S/N. I know a guy...

I was thinking late '80s, but the S/N and barrel date code would nail it down.