? Fake parts m1 carbine

[tenOC]

I personally would not hold any decision against you in regard to the seller.

[Sarge1998]

I need some Red Bull to keep up with this one.

[carbineone]

DO NOT pay for it. Let that son of a B$#&^ resell it again.

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

Chuck,

I don't think anyone has been offended, and I hope you have not either. I would guess the topic of fake parts gets the ire of most of us on here. On expensive parts it might not hurt to ask for an inspection period like you do for a weapon.

Get through the hurricane safely.

Jim

[Patrick Chadwick]

Chuck, I think the lesson we can all learn from this is: if in doubt, post it on the forum before committing yourself. Any rifle or part will then be scrutinized by masses of experienced and expert eyeballs. You quite correctly mentioned Lugers, which over here are perhaps the most notorious field for "stamp upgrading", followed closely by any K98k with Nazi-era markings. I have observed that unnumbered parts fetch more than numbered parts - easy to guess why!

[ChipS]

you would have no grounds for any action against the seller unless you pay and he fails to send you the exact item pictured.

Anectine:

I'm sorry for your situation - I've been there before. You are just the guy with more money than knowledge that these 'gentlemen' purveyors of cheap Chinese knock-offs are fishing for. I must agree 100% with Inland44. You read it, you bid it, you bought and you should pay for it. It's the right thing to do. BUT, I read the auction page and Inland44 is rigth-on correct that you bid on and bought the sight PICTURED. If you pay for it and you do not receive the exact sight pictured then you have been defrauded and you can file a claim with GB and maybe impact his rating. I don't know if this swings any weight with ABCLeigh but I think it's the only honorable recourse you have. Sometimes the humpers are too lazy to photograph and post every item when they buy them by the gross, so they photo one of the batch and then just post it in all of their auctions. I would e-mail ABCLeigh and advise him that you suspect the sight is not genuine USGI as you believed when you bid and REQUEST that you be released from your sale contract. If he refuses to release you then tell him that you expect the exact sight pictured and if you do not receive the exact sight you bid on then you will post negative feedback and file a claim of fraudulent business practice against him with GB. Even better if you happened to pay with Paypal as I believe they may insure you against this sort of thing. He might just say forget it rather than take damage to his own rep. He refunded my bid on a 'mis-described' stock a few years ago. If you receive the sight pictured in the auction then take it as a lesson learned, like a true gentleman. I hope it works out for you.

[ANECTINE]

Thanks Chip for all the advice. As I stated in previous replies that I was going to pay for the item no matter what .
I am chalking this up to my ignorance and naivety and have already paid Mr abcleigh ,Mitzi Leigh ,
m1carbine parts man or George as is affectionately called on this forum.Take your pick what his true name is .As for being defrauded
I agree it was my own fault for expecting when someone post "M1Carbine Irwin Pedersen with rp/rp" and on top of that
describes it as used that it would be an original. You don't sound 100% with the other fellow because you are
recommending that I question the seller after I won the bid.This would incense him as Inland 44 said. I am just as satisfied paying and leaving this gentleman
to still sell his fake parts using his fallacious advertisements but with one less sap like me that will purchase from him. The main thing that I wanted was to find out who may sell original parts and some on this forum have been very helpful with that

Chuck Lobrano

[ANECTINE]

Good Morning Gentlemen
Sorry for all these post but since am I glad that I found this forum I now have an ability to
get expert help. I just found an ebay listing that I thought was very interesting and need to know
what others thought . It was a individual that would look at particular item on ebay for m1 carbines and
give you his opinion on it's authenticity. I will include his response to me "Dear charleslo,

What do you want to know,if I can help I will for free. I mostly just put this up occasioanlly because I get sick of these crooks selling these fake parts. Most of what is sold here is fake. Let me know what item number you are questioning and if I can help I am glad to. These people have did alot of damage to the Carbine collector world and if my ad slows their practices or makes people think it is worth it...Thanks


- tylerp2896

Personally this is a great way to combat all of the gentlemen peddlers of fake parts . If I had the expertise and wished to
try to limit the amount of damage to carbine community this would be a great way to help. It would also attract new people to this site . Please I am just throwing this out for discussion and not endorsing or condoning this practice but if people are serious about
trying to help making the unscrupulous merchants hurt a little what a unique way of combating it . Just a lowly newbies opinion.If this gentleman and his advertisement is legitimate he needs to be applauded and praised for his convictions rather than just comments. It is a shame that so many know of this merchants{abcleigh] deceptive and somehow he continues. Like I have admitted I am one of the lowly saps that fell for it but like so many of you have advised I will utilize the experts in the future
Thank You Again
Chuck Lobrano

[carbineone]

These people who do this become criminals in my thoughts the second they decide to stamp a fake part. The second they do it, they set a course to decieve and rip people off. I would not pay for it as his intention from the start was to decieve someone. Does not matter if he did not claim original or not. Being purposly vague is just the same as claiming it is real. There is no differance when you initially set out to rip someone off,does not matter if you say the item is real or fake or not. You know it is because you made it and have the obligation to say so. If you do not you are just what he is a CROOK and DO NOT PAY FOR IT.

You discovered it is fake so why on earth would you pay him for it. As stated he set the plan in motion when he made the fake part,he is responsible if the transaction is not followed through,not you. He damn well knew it was fake and he is a criminal. Do not support his criminal behavior..There are laws that are supposed to protect you from Fraud,but if the Law will not, take it on yourself to do so.

You have just as much obligation to state a item is fake as you do to state it is original if you knew before selling it and he surely did know and should have stated so. By not stating the fact it was fake,and he knew it was fake, he is a criminal that committed intentional fraud and who set out to rip you off long before you ever saw his ad,he set out weeks ago to defraud you.. Well actually years ago but why nitpick.

I hope my use of the word "criminal" so many times got the point across. LOL Thanks

[jackthesmib]

I would never feel obligated to purchase fake and fradulent merchandise. You made a mistake and bid.

Lesson learned. Let him eat it.