Fazakerley

[muffett.2008]

It would certainly be great to have one in the wrap, my problem would be with the police doing their intermittant inspections, there's no way one of those ham fisted blighters would take my word for it, that serial number has to be seen and the rifle make and model must match the paperwork.
Undoubtably there are some in the wrap here in Oz, how do you blokes get around it?

[5thBatt]

There are definitely 2 trains of thought on this & as a "collector" not an "investor" i would be more inclined to enjoy the rifle now, not the few hundred dollars more i may get for it later, now you guys who have wrapped rifles & wish to keep them that way, good for you, go hard, would love to have one, but there is no way i could leave it that way & the only reason i would pay a premium on a wrapped rifle is for the pleasure of unwrapping it & being the first person to lay eyes on it in years.
This is of course is just my opinion & you are entitled to yours, but i do take exception to people implying a "true" collector would leave it wrapped.

[tlvaughn]

It would certainly be great to have one in the wrap, my problem would be with the police doing their intermittant inspections, there's no way one of those ham fisted blighters would take my word for it, that serial number has to be seen and the rifle make and model must match the paperwork.
Undoubtably there are some in the wrap here in Oz, how do you blokes get around it?

Would this work in Australia?

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[JBS]

Doug, your points are as always well spoken and with respect. I would point out that in this time we find ourselves the items (arms) as an investment have and continue to fall victim to seizure and destruction with out remuneration to value or historical content. This is taking place in country after country. Some of these very members can now only look upon their now welded up collection or see it in photographs. What is the answer to this dilemma? Do we leave it in the dark for value and to an unknown fate or do we open it to the light of day and use it as it was intended for what ever short life it may have. I don’t think there is an answer.

[HOOKED ON HISTORY]

Doug, your points are as always well spoken and with respect. I would point out that in this time we find ourselves the items (arms) as an investment have and continue to fall victim to seizure and destruction with out remuneration to value or historical content. This is taking place in country after country. Some of these very members can now only look upon their now welded up collection or see it in photographs. What is the answer to this dilemma? Do we leave it in the dark for value and to an unknown fate or do we open it to the light of day and use it as it was intended for what ever short life it may have. I don’t think there is an answer.

Perhaps there is an answer. From my cold dead hands.
" A man with a gun is a citizen an man without a gun is a subject"

[bigduke6]

I,ve read through this thread with great interest and a lot of good points have been made, as Peter points out, it is a forum and its here for discussion,
Amatikulu has made a generous offer and Muffet,s post does bring home the burden of having something like one in the wrap, when it comes to the inspection or renewal, in the UK we could never have one in the wrap as it would need to be proofed so it has to fired, so one in the wrap here I would say is a re wrap !!

As Doug points out, you cant compare it with other items its a rifle in the wrap, not a TV, or even a Mcdonalds ( beleive it or not original wrappings , cartons, etc are worth a bit from the golden arches)

Am sure if I had one and when my numbers up, I can vision the wife looking in the safe and thinking " whats that wrapped up" seconds later the wrap would be in the bin.

Another senario would be getting pulled over by the Police "and whats in the wrapper sir" ..

I think a few lessons have or would be learnt from this thread, I know 20 years back I would of tore that wrapper off, cleaned the rifle in the kitchen and headed out to the range with a big smile......but now I think a lot different than I did then.

[Peter Laidler]

Just a few observations Big Duke. You don't need to have a proofed rifle in the UK nor does it need to be unwrapped. I have one that's new and unwrapped and when it's time for its 5 yearly inspection, I tell the Police whats in the wrapping. And if it was good enough for the Customs and Excise and the LAST police visit, then it's good enough for him. I call it 'the bleedin obvious' nature of things. The only 'problem' would be in disposing of it 'unproofed' If the new buyer wants to proof and shoot it, then that's a matter for him but I sell it to him 'as seen and unproofed'

[bigduke6]

I sell it to him 'as seen and unproofed'

Thats the bit what could land in you in bother, a dealer to dealer, selling to a dealer is all fine, but a dealer to sell it to an FAC holder or FAC to FAC holder then it needs proofing, unproofed rifles do get sold, but I was just stating the normal run of the mill.

Up this neck off the woods that wrapper would be off on an inspection regardless, maybe a collectors slot would be different ?

[drweiler]

[QUOTE=sam54;239001]I unwrapped this last night:

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...defc59d9-1.jpg

I will post more pics after work

Sam, looking forward to more pics, particularly color of wood. I've got 12-54 PF 333083 in the wrap (Long butt) purchased for a song in the 90's. Came with mismatched bayonet/scabbard PF 323472 (Anyone with that rifle P.M. me if you want it). This week-end I picked up 11-54 PF 326825 with matching bayonet/scabbard. Darker wood as you can see, handling dings, perhaps once in service? Paid $250. Now that beautiful blondie is UF55 A14963, not long out of the wrap, paid $300. I'm wondering if your wood will be that blonde, or perhaps darker (stained beech?) like my used PF? All three are CAI Imports. Cheers, Don

[spinecracker]

In the past 12 months, I purchased two out of the wrap No4 Mk2's in excellent condition (and I mean excellent condition) for $250 each. I have also seen several wrapped rifles in the $800 range. No tough decisions on my end, mine will remain wrapped and I will shoot one of the others in my collection.

Oh come on, why do I never have your luck? Next time you bump into a No4 Mk2 for $250 that you don't want, drop me an email!!