Questions from a Neebie

[VOODOTHATIDO4U]

Hello and Greetings from Missouri!

I'm very new to forums and like all new recruits I'm sure I'll fall in front of everyone. I'll try and make it look good however. I had some help from painter777 and he has started me on the right path. Thanks Charlie!

First, I'm looking at a M1 Carbine. However I cannot get any pictures as per their store policy. That part I understood. If I can get a few questions answered than I think I have found my first carbine.

The barrel has Inland div. and 2-43 stamped on it. However I couldn't see under the rear site but when I ask the dealer he thought it was underwood. I will make sure on this for sure. I would think it's also in his books with the serial number for the receiver. The serial number started with a 4XXXXXX. Sorry but I didn't write it down but I will be back in first thing Monday morning when they open.

Can this be possible as a mixed matched with a Underwood receiver and an Inland barrel with the info I have provided?

The other thing is it looked liked a J.A.O on the front barrel band. I do believe I'm right there for such a quick look. Could that be right also?

It also had I think a Type III rear site. (could have been Type II but just don't think so) The lighting was really bad in there, so I'm taking two powerful flashlights and magnifying glass when I return. I will read all weekend to get more book time in, but it seems Underwood loaned out more parts to Inland than the other way around, Is that correct? I believe I read that a week ago.

Thanks in advance for all the replies and what a great SITE to be a part of people.
I really got the fever bad on these things.
Sincerely,
Mic

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[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

Mic,

Welcome to the forum. Helpful folks here. Appears you have already met Charlie.

We need a bit more information on the serial number to identify the maker. In this case at least the first four digits. There were seven makers who had serial numbers starting with 4 million. One maker twice, Quality Hardware.

Jim

[Tired Retired]

First, welcome to the forum. If you have been talking to Painter777, then you are going to REALLY need some help!!!! Just kidding, if you have been talking to Charlie, you are well on the way to getting a good start in Carbines. In fact, most the people on this board are very knowledgeable and very helpful! Charlie is the best!

Looking at your questions, I am not sure how much accurate info anyone can give you at this point. Of the 10 different manufacturers of the carbine, 6 of them had numbers with serials starting as 4,xxx,xxx including Underwood. (Underwood also manufactured their assigned blocks out of order.) Underwood also manufactured their own barrels (plus contributed to the Free Barrel Program) so it is very doubtful that an Inland barrel would be original to an Underwood receiver.

Chances are that what you found in the gun shop is a re-built mixmaster carbine. And that is ok. Rarely does anyone find a "super collectable" carbine their first purchase. Just look over the carbine closely and make your purchase decision based on the weapon's overall condition. Shooters are good to have because you will want to SHOOT at least one carbine in your (soon to be built) carbine collection. plus it gives you a chance to get "up close and person" with a carbine you can learn about.

Good luck and good hunting and remember, carbines get hungry and they like to be fed LOTS of ammuntion!!!!

[Bill Hollinger]

Mic, welcome. Wonderful to have you as a new member

[topaz]

Welcome, Mic

[Tired Retired]

Oops, miss counted... Jim is correct, seven of the ten manufacturers went into the 4 million range....

Make a note to never post to forums past bed time.....

[imarangemaster]

Welcome to the forum, Mic. What Tired and Retired says about you will want to have a "shooter" for a Carbine is true. After years of wheeling and dealing, and a great stroke of luck, I landed an original un-messed with Inland that was very collectable. Problem was it was so nice I hate to bang it around as a shooter/plinker/trunk weapon, so I just bought a mix-master Standard Products Carbine to fill that roll.

[painter777]

Hey Mic,
You might want to copy this off to have on hand the Serial Numbers.
I found this on one of our hard working members site.
@ The U.S. Caliber .30 Carbines - Serial Numbers

I highlighted the 4 mil blocks, Then I added the most commonly used barrels they used.
Use this as a 'General List' there is more to these receivers such as over-runs, Sub-contracted receivers... etc. Too much to get in to right now.

I hope this helps and Good Luck!
I've sent you a PM,
Cheers,
Charlie

Start- End- Assigned Prime Contractor
1- 5 Inland
6- 10 Winchester
11- 999,999 Inland
1,000,000- 1,349,999 Winchester
1,350,000- 1,449,999 Underwood
1,450,000- 1,549,999 National Postal Meter
1,550,000- 1,662,519 Quality Hardware
1,662,520- 1,762,519 Rock-Ola
1,762,520- 1,875,039 Irwin-Pedersen/Saginaw (S'G')
1,875,040- 1,937,519 Quality Hardware
1,937,520- 1,982,519 National Postal Meter
1,982,520- 2,352,519 Standard Products
2,352,520- 2,912,519 Underwood
2,912,520- 3,212,519 Inland
3,212,520- 3,250,019 Irwin-Pedersen/Saginaw (S'G')
3,250,020- 3,651,519 Saginaw (S.G.)

3,651,520- 4,009,999 IBM ----------------------IBM Barrels

4,010,000- 4,074,999 Underwood--------------UNDERWOOD Barrels

4,075,000- 4,075,009 Winchester--------------WRA Barrel, But Have never seen or heard of a WRA found in this range?

4,075,010- 4,432,099 National Postal Meter---IBM, Underwood, Marlin, Rock-Ola, Buffalo Arms or Inland Barrel

4,432,100- 4,532,099 Quality Hardware--------IBM, Underwood, WRA, Inland, Buffalo Arms or Rock-Ola Barrel

4,532,100- 4,632,099 Rock-Ola------------------Rock-Ola Barrel

4,632,100- 4,879,525 Quality Hardware---------IBM, Underwood, WRA, Inland, Buffalo Arms or Rock-Ola Barrel

4,879,526- 5,549,921 Inland----------------------Inland Barrel

5,549,922- 5,834,618 Winchester
5,834,619- 6,071,188 Saginaw (S.G.)
6,071,189- 6,099,688 Rock-Ola
6,099,689- 6,199,688 Underwood
6,199,689- 6,219,688 Rock-Ola
6,219,689- 6,449,867 Inland
6,449,868- 6,629,883 Winchester
6,629,884- 7,234,883 Inland
7,234,884- 7,369,660 Winchester
7,369,661- 8,069,660 Inland

[VOODOTHATIDO4U]

Well I'll try again and post pictures later as I just tried and they are to large for my gallery. I'm a proud papa of my first M1 carbine. I bought it today for $475 and I think I did ok as I already put two rounds thru it and it shot very well. (Know it wasn't me but the weapon)Thought I would before the clean up started. It is indeed a Underwood with a Inland barrel 2-44. Would that be correct somewhat? The serial # is 40500XX. It does have a very small Import mark from Tn. on the under side of the barrel. It was a Italian with FAT/Star and 82 stamped on the stock. I'm having trouble thinking I'm going to redo in very soon. That's about all I really need to do. He had two just alike but sold the other one late Sat. after I left.

However, it didn't have a sling or oiler but I can probably get that in Tulsa this weekend at the Big show pretty easy. The metal is very nice so I'm very happy!
It has Ordinance Flame Marks in three or four places. I was surprized by that. It is a Mixer but was well taken care of that's for sure and alittle surprizing after all these years. I'll get the pictures posted and you can tell me about some parts with their markings if you would.
Thanks again everyone, guess I better get that box of cigars in the morning. Mic

[shadycon]

Hi and welcome. You will need to shink you pics down to around 800x 600 pixels, then they post nicely . that is what I do with all websites. PS ENJOY YOU NEW TOY!