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    My first Enfield, tell me what I got (pics)

    This is my first Enfield Rifleicon. I know nothing about it. What can you guys tell me? Who made it? Which country's service was it in? What is the probability that it has seen combat? Is it possible to find out where it saw combat? Possible value? I paid $400, was that reasonable or too much? It came with the blade type bayonet. I bought the spike type years ago at a gun show. I recieved the sling in the mail today, WWII dated khaki. Can you tell me anything else that I didn't think to ask? What was it's probable history is general?

    Reciever SN: 14433
    Stock SN: 327566
    Magazine SN: 781569

    All I know is it's a 1945 dated No 4 Mk 1 chambered in .303 british.
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    You have a 1943, Maltby manufactured No4 Mk1/2, meaning that it was manufactured as a No4 Mk1 in 1943, and later FTR'd to No4 Mk2 specs at Fazackerly in 1952. The front band should be a bit further forward.

    These were in Britishicon service, and many other nations. I have no idea if it saw combat but it sure looks well used.

    The mix of numbers on the parts make me think parts rifle.

    Does the bolt serial number match?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tbonesmithicon View Post
    and later FTR'd to No4 Mk2 specs at Fazackerly in 1952
    Thank you. What are were the changes from Mk1 to Mk2? Just stock configuration or something more significant? I take it that FTR means "factory refurbished"? Is it english made? Is there an index that identify's anything about it's service record?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbonesmithicon View Post
    Does the bolt serial number match?
    I could find no serial number on the bolt.

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    Mk2's have a trigger mounted to the body of the rifle, whereas Mk1's have the trigger mounted to the trigger guard. This modification necessitates the replacement or modification of the forend. FTR = Factory Thorough Repair. Maltby and Fazackerly are both in Englandicon. I doubt you'll ever find anything about its service record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeatMarket View Post
    What are were the changes from Mk1 to Mk2? Just stock configuration or something more significant?
    The most important alteration was to alter the trigger suspension from the trigger guard (Mk1) to the action body.


    Quote Originally Posted by MeatMarket View Post
    I take it that FTR means "factory refurbished"?
    Yes. To be precise "Factory Thorough Repair". It probably had a very active life 1943-45, hence the need for an FTR. After which, it would have been as good as new from the standpoint of functionality. Dings do not affect functionality and could be ignored.
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    Is it english made?
    Yes.

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    Is there an index that identify's anything about it's service record?
    Not that I know of.

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    It came with the blade type bayonet.

    Which is worth more than the spike type. In my limited experience, the spike type could be used as a can opener or an earthing rod for the radio. NBG as a knife.

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    The lettering on the muzzle are US Importation marks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerhunter View Post
    The lettering on the muzzle are US Importation marks.
    Thank you.

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    Which is worth more than the spike type. In my limited experience, the spike type could be used as a can opener or an earthing rod for the radio. NBG as a knife.
    The spike can also be used to probe the ground for mines when attached the the pick handle (I just ordered one of those handles).

    Thank you for all the other info.

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    If a good bore, $400 is very reasonable.

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    It does have a very nice bore, so I feel good about this now.

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