No 4 Mark 1/2 at 300 yards with Battle Sights.

[Don'tkillbill]

I love my No4. It does look nice in the sun and it shoots well. I got a 12 inch group at 300 yards using the battle sights. I have the MK2 pressed flip up sights and want the machined sights. Are they called Singer sights? Anyway the flip up sights were off at 500 yards but I was happy with my 300 yards and will work on 500 as the summer continues.

Any suggestions for rear sights. The Parker Hale are rather pricey and want something I can add to the rifle without damaging the stock.

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[gsimmons]

It's a MkI sight. Keep look you may be able to find a PH sight at a reasonable price.

[Alan de Enfield]

Hopefully will help :

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[Don'tkillbill]

Very helpful. I guess the Mark 1 doesn't have windage but I want something to drop in and not mare up my stock etc.

[Peter Laidler]

I'd have to venture to suggest something DKTB.......... The way that you are holding - or NOT holding - your rifle will effectively negate any good a Mk1 backsight will give.

Even on the Armourers test range, the shots had to be fired, holding the fore-end with the left hand firmly gripping around the fore-end with the back of the hand resting on or against a sandbag.

There was a little experiment that we were reuglarly shown by Capt. Viney (the shooting master/coach while we were still apprentices. He would get us to shoot a group with an L1A1 and a No4 or a No1 or 5 as per the instructions and THEN follow it up with other methods such as yours. You have guessed it already. There is nothing to steady the rifle/harmonics forward of your hands while the bullet it zooooming down the barrel.

Others may care to comment but......................

[Patrick Chadwick]

Others may care to comment but......................

... you are quite correct Peter. I have learnt that it is advisable to make final sight adjustments that cannot be made easily during a competition (e.g. drifting a foresight blade) with the rifle held as you describe. And yea, even with a sling! The hand provides the same damping as the rifle will later experience when shooting freehand with the sling, while the sandbag reduces the PWF.

Zeroing with the fore-end straight onto a sandbag or shooting rest seems to put the group in a slightly different position. And supporting the fore-end way out front, just behind the stacking swivel (or where it would be if you had one!) as I have seen others do, completely alters the resonance pattern of the barrel+wood.

(Maybe it's the way I hold'em?)

[browningautorifle]

the shots had to be fired, holding the fore-end with the left hand firmly gripping around the fore-end with the back of the hand resting on or against a sandbag

Absolutely agreed Peter...

[Bear43]

Peter, it's those little bits that are so nice to know.

[Peter Laidler]

Further to my last...... Even the Enfield Rest was designed and made to simulate a firer holding the rifle as per the Military Training instructions. You could always tell when something was wrong with it, like the side loading of the fore-end grip or butt grip a bit loose in the rest.

We would set the recoil to hard for testing the 'fastness' of No32/L1A1/L13 telescopes after repair.

[villiers]

Found that out the hard way. German (Prussian) mil. instructors never stop pestering me to hold the butt with the left hand (they call it the "machine gun position). This seems to be an item of almost religious belief here. I never argue, just in case there´s another war, and then they´re almost sure to miss.

PS

By the way, Bill, it might not be totally original for a mil. issue rifle, but at 300 yards I´d go for a Parker Hale windage adaptable rear sight.