Burke, Desmond T.: (970). Canadian Bisley Shooting, An Art and a Science.

[Frederick303]

Mike 16,

I know I am not your favorite commenter, but I would point out a number of these sources are available for free here. They are by no means obsolete.


Reynolds book, lots of technical details on service bedding, accuracy, compensation, etc

https://www.milsurps.com/content.php...-Reynolds-1960

1965 DCRA bedding notes, lots of info on setting up center-bedded rifles for 303 and 7.62

https://www.milsurps.com/content.php....4-Rifle)-1965

How to redo the draws, one of the common things folks need to repair:

https://www.milsurps.com/content.php...-Peter-Laidler)

On the target sights:

https://www.milsurps.com/content.php...stment-and-Use


Excellent training manual for shooting the No4 prone:

https://www.milsurps.com/content.php...Enfield-Rifle-)


Thread with a lot of notes of regulated No 1 rifles

https://www.milsurps.com/content.php...ed.-(By-RJW-NZ)


1945 Armourer notes, lots of neat items here:

https://www.milsurps.com/content.php...-Peter-Laidler)



Now there might be more than the above relevant to to that arm which is the envy of the western democracies (the Lee Enfield Rifle)


The point is, the modern sources while good for general rifles do not have a lot of the relevant information required for specific work on the Lee Enfield. Certainly they lack much of the 60 odd years of gunsmith/armourer techniques to make these rifles shoot well. For example if one was interested in trying to shoot No 1 or No 4 at long range (800 to 1000 yards), the information on compensation is only to be found in these old sources (including precautions one must take when it rains).

To relearn what these old sources knew would take a lot of time, which can be shortened by simply reading them, which in turn keeps this arcane knowledge alive for another generation. Much like Ned Roberts did with muzzle loaders in the 1920s.

Just something to ponder.

[mr.e moose]

thier teacher. Pre- school to university? WTF!

[attaturk]

I bought the Sweets book , paid too much.110$ very disdapointed,Went shopping for the Bisley book, 200$ plus 34$ shipping from England. No Way! Save it for those collectors of books, facts and minutiae.Wendams book, Mic's book are excellent choice's. They are not at all general.Nor are any of Litz's books.they add much information to that 60 years of armourers knowledge/technique. you can understand now what was not clearly understood or unstated back then. I bought Litz books as a bundle from his web site about 270$. an excellent investment. Nor are they "general".

Compensated is only one subject area of many. If you shoot handloaded ammo, its irrelevant. So we move forward.

I would like to add G. David Tubbs "high Power Rifle" to this list if you are a shooter. Used I paid about 5 $.and Rinkers 'Understanding Firearms Ballistics"

[mike16]

Roger wedhams book general? Oh Ok.

anyway, Roger also does some excellent video's on You Tube as well.

yea, those books are expensive, and shipping can be a deal breaker too. And then you gotta cross your fingers and hope nothing gets "lost in the mail". And then there is buyers remorse when you get that confetti in your hands.

Also some of these publications are available on line and or in the public domain, But a few might be there in violation of various copyright laws. That hurts us all and this hobby,

Those that are there lawfully and available to us , well that information is dated and scattered, plus some publications are just the same information carried over, and over from decade to decade so if thats the case why buy several books that have the same information when its best to simply get the most current one,

Thats why I recommend getting the latest information rather than simply getting every book that was ever written. Plus I like to support Rogers for his significant effort and contribution, KUDO'S Roger!

which brings up another good point, What if the old books are not even available , Then what?

yea, Current information is what is best. Thats Roger Wedhams book and his video's on you tube. Excellent. Lets support him and respect those copyright laws too please.

Rogers book is a consolidation of alot of scattered information and an intelligent analysis of several Fulton and Parker Hale rifles. If that too general then I'm not sure some people will ever be satisfied.

Another excellent source on You Tube is a guy called Tiborassaurus Rex. On repeated occasions he makes reference to some of the novel features of the Lee Enfield. Enourmous amounts of information there.

Take it or leave it.

Dont know what Compensated has to do with a thread on useful books on shooting the Enfield. And they are about shooting the Enfield Not antique book collecting.

I forgot all about Tubb's book, It is an excellent book.

If you shoot your enfield these are some very usefull and excellent books.

[Bindi2]

Mike 16 If the book hasn't a chapter on compensation your rifle will be a shotgun at the longs. The old books were written in the hay day of these rifles,, the information on how to make them work was current not some bodys idea of what may be the way it was done. There is plenty of that on you tube.

[mike16]

Mike 16 If the book hasn't a chapter on compensation your rifle will be a shotgun at the longs. The old books were written in the hay day of these rifles,, the information on how to make them work was current not some body's idea of what may be the way it was done. There is plenty of that on you tube.

well its always somebody's idea of what may be done.IMO its a very narrow view, but its your view and I respect your privilege to express it.

not all the above books deal with compensated barrels but it does not make my "shotgun" less accurate. It does make me seek out more information though.

Its just that with about 50 more years of understanding of why that helps the shooters out. I dont collect antique books. I shoot my rifle and thats what this thread is about.
I believe that several of the books listed above deal with compensation. And as was stated above handloading pretty much makes it irrelevent. Not entirely but many of us move on and embrace the understanding of why

Its just a list of books, why are you guy's so scared. Its just ink on paper. dont be scared.
Nuff said

[Bindi2]

Mike16 I am not scared of books. I am scared of people writing books or making videos on subjects they have little knowledge of when people who did know wrote their knowledge down for others to learn from. A period maintenance manual/workshop book or a paper written by someone who dosent know what an Enfield inch is being read by somebody who thinks an inch is an inch. There is nothing new in the new print/videos the old guys hadn't tried already. They had taken the L E to the maximum with new rifles. You are just trying to get close with much older probably worn beyond possibility of achieving rifles without the correct L E gauges.
I am very lucky to know some Military trained armourers from the period of the L E who went on into the target shooting sport.

[mike16]

Its about books that help us shoot the rifle better.

why do you think its about a compensated barrel.

do you use ammo from that era in competition or do you hand load using modern powder, cartridge, projectile and primer, The data you use, presuming you reload or hand load, that data, is it current or is it information available back in the day?

if people then wrote the information down for others to learn from then, why is it so frightening that people are still writing down information in the hopes that other people will learn from it too; currently. Why does that scare some people. Current era, current information? makes sense to me, handloaders and the vendors who sell hand loading products. Kind of a safety issue to some of us. And you are against this because....?

its not about whether the info is new and untried nor is it really about the fact that its old hat. its about making the information available and affordable. why dont some people get that.

if you dont know if whether or which book might have information on compensated barrels. you should get copies of them and read them. who know's. if you can, it might improve the shooting ability of yourself and or your rifle. And if not: why deny it to the rest of us, take it or leave it but allow us to aquire that knowledge. Dont make choices for me. I dont know how others feel about this but Dont make choices for me. Thanks anyway, I'm sure you had my best intentions in mind. but dont. Other may speek for themselves.

Infield Inch? so we're done talking about the usefulness of current publications and you want to talk about "the enfield inch" Gee, I hope your not reffering to that book that was published.....when? well, no to long ago anyway. Maybe PM me on that so we can keep this about current publications that are available and affordable to OTHERS. Ditto on that compensated barrel subject. PM me. Or start another thread.

the fact that you state that there is nothing new pretty much underscores the reason your so against any new information getting out there. Dont feel bad.....I do that too.... to the competition that gets too close. I do it to steer them away from any ideas that make them a threat to me on the range. I get that.I steer the competition in rabbit hole directions. informally; but I do it too. So yea I get that.

But this thread is not on the range, its a forum, in the Lee Enfield Knowledge Library. and not all library's have only old books and old information, and if its just a rehash of the same information then where's the harm. If there is nothing new under the sun then why so scared. what the fear of rehashing old information. It would not be control would it.

it may or may not be new information (it absolutely is) but at least its available and affordable. I want to spend my money shooting my rifle, not colleting antique books I cannot afford or are not available at any price. But thats just me and a whole lot of others.

And your presumption that I'm shooting a worn out old rifle.....Based on what information? we're not talking about current publications any more are we? and is that the reason you are so against other people on this website obtaining information that allows them to shoot thier rifle better. Because you think my rifle is worn out?

as for the guages? I'm once again going to assume we are no longer dealing with books that will help us shoot our rifle better, and so have changed the subject. perhaps you could pm me on the whole guage thing or start another thread of your own on that.

Clearly, like those unread books you critique, those you tube video's, you ought to see some of them too. ...or not. Your right, they did not have you tube back then, and thats a very good reason to put yourself at a disadvantage on the range. but why others? i DONT get that. scared to be alone?

I'm lucky to know several of the authors who wrote the books myself and others informally so I cant brag like you are. But again, is it a thread about who we know or books that will help members here on the Lee Enfield Knowledge LIBRARY be able to shoot thier rifle better?

Why do some feel they must make that choice for me and on my behalf?

thanks but I think I got this.

its about books that help us shoot our rifle better, and if it helps others shoot thier rifle better, thats a bad thing because...?

OH but thanks for your contribution. You have greatly enhanced the quality of all contributions to the Lee Enfield Knowlege LIBRARY

[Bindi2]

Its about books that help us shoot the rifle better.

why do you think its about a compensated barrel.

do you use ammo from that era in competition or do you hand load using modern powder, cartridge, projectile and primer, The data you use, presuming you reload or hand load, that data, is it current or is it information available back in the day?

if people then wrote the information down for others to learn from then, why is it so frightening that people are still writing down information in the hopes that other people will learn from it too; currently. Why does that scare some people. Current era, current information? makes sense to me, handloaders and the vendors who sell hand loading products. Kind of a safety issue to some of us. And you are against this because....?

its not about whether the info is new and untried nor is it really about the fact that its old hat. its about making the information available and affordable. why dont some people get that.

if you dont know if whether or which book might have information on compensated barrels. you should get copies of them and read them. who know's. if you can, it might improve the shooting ability of yourself and or your rifle. And if not: why deny it to the rest of us, take it or leave it but allow us to aquire that knowledge. Dont make choices for me. I dont know how others feel about this but Dont make choices for me. Thanks anyway, I'm sure you had my best intentions in mind. but dont. Other may speek for themselves.

Infield Inch? so we're done talking about the usefulness of current publications and you want to talk about "the enfield inch" Gee, I hope your not reffering to that book that was published.....when? well, no to long ago anyway. Maybe PM me on that so we can keep this about current publications that are available and affordable to OTHERS. Ditto on that compensated barrel subject. PM me. Or start another thread.

the fact that you state that there is nothing new pretty much underscores the reason your so against any new information getting out there. Dont feel bad.....I do that too.... to the competition that gets too close. I do it to steer them away from any ideas that make them a threat to me on the range. I get that.I steer the competition in rabbit hole directions. informally; but I do it too. So yea I get that.

But this thread is not on the range, its a forum, in the Lee Enfield Knowledge Library. and not all library's have only old books and old information, and if its just a rehash of the same information then where's the harm. If there is nothing new under the sun then why so scared. what the fear of rehashing old information. It would not be control would it.

it may or may not be new information (it absolutely is) but at least its available and affordable. I want to spend my money shooting my rifle, not colleting antique books I cannot afford or are not available at any price. But thats just me and a whole lot of others.

And your presumption that I'm shooting a worn out old rifle.....Based on what information? we're not talking about current publications any more are we? and is that the reason you are so against other people on this website obtaining information that allows them to shoot thier rifle better. Because you think my rifle is worn out?

as for the guages? I'm once again going to assume we are no longer dealing with books that will help us shoot our rifle better, and so have changed the subject. perhaps you could pm me on the whole guage thing or start another thread of your own on that.

Clearly, like those unread books you critique, those you tube video's, you ought to see some of them too. ...or not. Your right, they did not have you tube back then, and thats a very good reason to put yourself at a disadvantage on the range. but why others? i DONT get that. scared to be alone?

I'm lucky to know several of the authors who wrote the books myself and others informally so I cant brag like you are. But again, is it a thread about who we know or books that will help members here on the Lee Enfield Knowledge LIBRARY be able to shoot thier rifle better?

Why do some feel they must make that choice for me and on my behalf?

thanks but I think I got this.

its about books that help us shoot our rifle better, and if it helps others shoot thier rifle better, thats a bad thing because...?

OH but thanks for your contribution. You have greatly enhanced the quality of all contributions to the Lee Enfield Knowlege LIBRARY

I have replied to this post twice with nothing showing up. Both long posts.
The lack of knowledge shown is unfortunate as is the presumptions made.

[mike16]

I have replied to this post twice with nothing showing up. Both long posts.
The lack of knowledge shown is unfortunate as is the presumptions made.

I'm trying to correct that unfortunate lack of knowledge shown as I am sure you are(?).

As for the presumption made, my shooter is one of those still in the wrap 4/2's that is no longer still in the wrap.

Perhaps you could list some of the sources you refer to. It cant hurt.

PM sent.