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    1942 Bayonet, Real or Fake?

    Was browsing a not so local antique shop and came across an 1942 16" bayonet, priced low from I've seen recently - $265. I had to wait until I had decent enough internet access to do more research and left it behind, family in the area can stop back there and pick it up if it turns out to be worth it.
    The year matches my M1icon so I'm moderately interested in it, but it had some issues that warranted more information. It appeared to be in excellent condition but of poor fit and finish, and I am just familiar enough with the Wilde WT manufacturer, but I only found that it's rare, which would be incentive to fake.
    I had an E-US postwar bayonet in the truck that I compared. The finish appeared to be a grainy dark rough finish over heavy sanding. The blood groove is not sharp but is defined. The pommel was particularly rough, and wasn't as round as the postwar, and had flat "faces" like a gemstone. The grips were very poor fitting, and did not touch the metal of the pommel at almost any point. The scabbard is like new, USN marked. There could have been spots of re-park over pitting on the blade, which was the only indication I had that it could have been real.
    I had somewhat decided in the store that this was a Atlanta Cutlery type replica given the poor fit, perfect scabbard, and heavy applied even finish. I did basic research and asked here to cover my bases. If real, I assume it might have been re-arsenaled for use in a later war, but in that case would it have likely have also been cut down to the more common 10"?
    I could not get as many pictures as I ordinarily would, phone went off the side of a boat and couldn't load a borrowed phone up with surplus weapon pictures.

    If this turns out to be gold I can send someone to pick it up on my behalf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BVZ24 View Post
    The scabbard is like new, USN marked.
    The scabbard would have been for the plastic training bayonet originally, the one that broke easily, almost just by looking at it. The scabbards did get reused as it was only the markings that were different.

    I would have thought that it is a genuine bayonet but I'm not too sure on the price. Obviously it would help to see more of it.

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    I believe Wilde Tool uncut 16” would have the original brown grips, but they could have been replaced. Compare this 43 stamping as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker62 View Post
    I believe Wilde Tool uncut 16” would have the original brown grips, but they could have been replaced. Compare this 43 stamping as well.

    https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...9e8b40e4-1.jpg

    The grips should be two tone brown on a W T I think



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    They were an oversized poor fitting black. The screw head was stripped so someone had messed with them at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BVZ24 View Post
    Was browsing a not so local antique shop and came across an 1942 16" bayonet, priced low from I've seen recently - $265.
    If I saw it in an antique shop and I was interested in buying it I wouldn't expect to have to pay the full asking price, I would expect to be able to negotiate some sort of discount.

    If it is a full length, uncut, original it would be worth having but it is difficult for people to advise you when they can't see most of it.

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    I am not a US bayonet collector, but original W T bayonets with the red-brown grips sell for alot more money. Saco and maybe other dealers had some fake 16 inch bayonets made-up in the Asian area for retail.
    Do not know if the W T was included in the fakes ? Also seen demil bayonets put back together by welding, these will be shorter in blade length. Original US WW2 16 inch bayonets have nice grips that fit

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