Band reality check?

[Bufordm1]

Was wondering if this is real or repo IBM barrel band. If I had to guess, the swivel looks to be real, but not sure of the band. Appreciate all opinions. Thanks



M1 CARBINE PARTS - Barrel Band KV P : Other at GunBroker.com

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[STU1]

WHY? this is geting to be a bit tiresome.

[Bufordm1]

Thanks for the input stu1! Nice to have all the answers, but I hope I never become too smug.

[Jet Fixer]

Doesn't look right to me. Not an expert though. I got burned for over a hundred on a repro, so I get real leary of these things unless I can hold it in my hands. Not sure of the seller's reputation. Have seen his stuff before, but never bought anything. If you can get some feedback on his rep, you may get a better idea of the part. I only buy from people who are recommended when it comes to anything that is hard to find. If you get it in your hands I'll tell you a nearly fool-proof way to verify it that I was taught by someone with lots of experience. It will make you much more confident.

Wish we were all as smart as STU1. Must be nice to know everything.

[jackthesmib]

Wear & tear on band and swivel doesn't match. Hmmm.

[Rustship]

Dont be put off by a few Buford, 99.9% of the members here on this forum will give you some of the best info out there.

[painter777]

Guys,
Give Stu a break... he enjoys busting balls at times just for giggles.
I have pictures here of a friends original IBM's. The early bands all show 2 large circular weld spots just like the one on GB. On 2 of the bands the weld spots are placed farther back toward the ring that overlaps the front of the handguard, but on the other 2 the 2 weld spots are more towards the front lip of the band just like the one on GB.
These bands look to match the color of the one on GB.
I can't make out his KVB swivel markings well enough to see if they match the one on GB. But all 4 swivels are lighter in color than the bands are.
Could be possible that the band was missing it's swivel and one with more wear was attached to it.

FWIW,
Charlie-painter777

[STU1]

Thanks for the input stu1! Nice to have all the answers, but I hope I never become too smug.

Smug has nothing to do with it and no i don't have all the answers. this hobby has become blighted by people who want to make their carbines back too W.W.2 configueration (and at one time i was guilty of it too) who (and it's just my opinion)are defiling the history of the carbine by doing so and feeding the greed of the humpers who prey on the unsuspecting. deal only with other collectors for parts and stocks and whatever else you want to change your carbine for. the best thing people can do for their carbines and their wallets is simply to just leave their carbines as is. you want an original they are out there buy one or as many as you can afford. JMHO not trying to flame or shame all this "is this real" BS is for the birds, we are our own worst enemies in this hobby best regards

Stu


PS the band is real the swivel is fake, it's missing something that the real item has.

[jimb16]

Good eyes Stu. I was thinking the same.

[Tired Retired]

While I would have not worded it the way Stu did in his first post, I do agree with several points of his second post. I remember reading on another site (posted on the bavarian site I believe??) a statement that about people making carbines into something that they "have never been". Thats kinda where I am at with all this. I believe that there is a big difference between "historical" and "historically correct" and there is also a BIG cash value difference which most people do not comprehend. Frankly, I only have one carbine which I believe is historical - and that is because of its serial number. I see people dumping money into buying (either real or faked) parts to replace absolutely good parts on shooter grade carbines in vain attempts to make those carbines into something that they NEVER WERE. Ok, the genuine GI Bring back from grandpa's closet - $1,000. The 1st carbine produced by NPM - $5,000. Audie Murphy's carbine - priceless. Oh, and that CMP service grade with replacement flip sight, slide and trigger housing is still worth $675 to me - unless it can shoot a 2" group and I'll give you another $75.

Don't get me wrong. These 65 year old weapons are still good WEAPONS. the vast majority of the 6 million made do not have collector (i.e. museum) siginficance. Soooooo, tell me again why we are replacing a perfectly good part with an eariler version of the part - to inflate the VALUE???

Ok, thanks for the soap box and allowing me to hijack the thread.

Man I love these carbines!!!!!!