Target back sight for #4 MKII

[Frank46]

Thanks for the post regarding the various target type back sights. Never knew there were so many different ones for the #1MKIII and the #4 series of rifles that were made. How would one go about getting one for my Faz (not going to attempt spelling the correct name) for my 1947 #4MKII/. And what would be the correct one to get?. Thank You,Frank

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[Bruce_in_Oz]

Put an ad in the "Wanted to buy / trade" section and stand back!

A "Central" with the correct Mk 7 .303 calibration plate would be extra-value.

Canada is also probably a good place to start.

[Alan de Enfield]

Thanks for the post regarding the various target type back sights. Never knew there were so many different ones for the #1MKIII and the #4 series of rifles that were made. How would one go about getting one for my Faz (not going to attempt spelling the correct name) for my 1947 #4MKII/. And what would be the correct one to get?. Thank You,Frank

There is no 'correct' (as issued) because the 'target sights' were not issued, they were a 'civilian add on', but any of the 4 noted below would be 'correct' as in the fact they were designed for the No4 rifle.

Ideally use a Parker Hale "PH5C", or an AJ Parker "AJP4/47"
(Pic of PH5C on the red background and AJP4/47 'on the carpet')
The AJP4/47 is the better built of the two designs, but the PH5C are easier to find.

Looking at between US$150 - $300 on Ebay depending on condition and demand on the day.

The actual eyepieces vary considerably in cost and design, from a simple 'one-hole' eye piece, to a 6-hole variable, to a complex infinitely variable 'Iris' (like a camera shutter) complete with coloured filters for differing light conditions, with the capability to be fitted with prescription lenses.
The eye-piece can cost as much as the rifle.



You could also look at a PH 8/53 which fits onto the existing rear sight, or a PH4 which replaces the original rear sight.

[Strangely Brown]

There is no 'correct' (as issued) because the 'target sights' were not issued, they were a 'civilian add on', but any of the 4 noted below would be 'correct' as in the fact they were designed for the No4 rifle.

Ideally use a Parker Hale "PH5C", or an AJ Parker "AJP4/47"
(Pic of PH5C on the red background and AJP4/47 'on the carpet')
The AJP4/47 is the better built of the two designs, but the PH5C are easier to find.

Looking at between US$150 - $300 on Ebay depending on condition and demand on the day.

I would also agree with Alan, I currently have five AJP 4/47's on various No.4's and conversions.

[lawrence_n]

I have a PH 5C looking for a new home. It has the 6 position flat iris and comes with the longer receiver ejection screw. PM me if you're interested.

[Alan de Enfield]

And what would be the correct one to get?.

When installing the 5C or the 4/47 you need to remove the original rear sight.

You can either bolt the rear fixing point of either sight (5C or 4/47) using a long bolt going completely thru' both sides of the original mounting, OR, a short bolt going thru JUST the LH side hinge point.


The advantage of the single long bolt is that it stops the rear of the action spreading under load / recoil.
The dis-advantage of the single long bolt is that it allows you to 'overtighten' and crush / wedge / trap the rifle-bolt so it will not move. Ideally you need an extra nut so that you can adjust the 'inner nut' to be in the correct place and then tighten the other to trap the hinge point without actually compressing the two 'hinge points' together.

The advantage of a single short bolt, thru the LH side hinge ONLY is that you do not crush / trap the rifle-bolt.
The dis-advantage is that the action is not 'held' together and the action can 'spread' under load / recoil.

I have tried both methods and would recommend a 'long bolt with extra nut' to support the action wings, but not trapping the rifle-bolt.

My Savage No4 with an AJP 4/47