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You ARE right. Butch's has a dash of ammonia for the copper that Ed's lacks.

One fellow has prepared Ed's Red with Strong Ammonia (from janitorial supply store) to Make Ed's PINK and it works...

I reload 7.62 x 25 with cases i make from .223 brass and have several hundred rounds of Romanian 7.62 x 25 to shoot before i get back to reloading it.
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